Note: N110 In Scotland in Glenelg Township there were once these towns, Corray, Islandroich, Kirktown, Cossage, Galalbolin, Swordland and Balvraid. The McLeod who owned most of the land lived in the area of Lochournhead which is past Arnisdale*, on Loch Hourn. He had to sell to pay taxes.
McCrimmon, John b ca 1759. From Glenelg, INV.To QUE, summer 1815; stld prob E. ONT. Farmer and weaver m Catherine McCrimmon, qv. and emig w/ 4 ch. SEC 5
McCrimmon, John 56, farmer, weaver. Wife Catherine 46, children: Catherine 17, Christian 15, Mary 13, Patrick 8, Rebecca 3, Glenelg from Greenock to ONT July 1815. vol1 p119
Public archives of Canada Colonial Office—Settlers 1815 (see son Farquhar for dtls): John McCrimmon, age 56, farmer, formerly weaver, Glenelg (residence prior to voyage). with wife Catherine, age 46, Glenelg, dau Catherine, age 17, Glenelg dau Christine, age 15, Glenelg dau Mary, age 13, Glenelg, son Patrick, age 8, Glenelg. Dau Rebecca age 3.Glenelg, not specified as their sons as traveling as independent adults: Farquhar age 28, wife Rachel McRae and their baby Catherine, of Glenelg Donald age 24, Glenelg, bachelor Duncan age 22, Glenelg, bachelor
”...four ships provided for the emigrants finally arrived in the Clyde early in June, but embarkation was delayed in part by the loss of eight sailors to the press gang. The ships were the Atlas, the Baltic Merchant, the Dorothy and the Eliza. The Eliza sailed on 3 August with 123 emigrants. Twenty-five of the families came from the peninsula of Glenelg, which included twelve McRaes, three McCuaigs, and five McCrimmons, who were all either heads of household or their wives, and the twleve families from Knoydart. ”...“The 1815 assisted emigration was designed to attract to Canada not the poorest members of the community, but men of modest means. Of the forty-one men from Glenelg, 80% were farmers.”—The People of Glencarry, Highlanders in Transition, 1745-1820 by Marianne McLean, published by McGill-Queen’s University Press, 1991, pp 154-157 as transcribed by Aileen.
full name of ship: ELIZA of London I have a typed copy of a letter from Gordon Drummond writen in Quebec in 1815 in respects to the arrival of the Dorthy, Baltic Merchant and Atlas, with concerns for the Eliza that had not yet arrived on Sept 23, 1815 and then the on the arrival of the Eliza in the river with 40 familes aboard, sailed on Aug 6 and arrival on Sept 27, 1815. The letter was addressed to My Lord and was writen from the Castle of St. Lewis. Quebec. -- Dianne Childs 9/18/99 to Bonnie
See fellow passengers Malcolm McRAE and family John McRAE and family [among others—these show on my photocopy
Settled West Hawksbury, Prescott Co ONT Lot 8 conc.7, 18 Jun 1824 John McCrimmon age 56 and his wife Catherine age 46, from Glenelg, settle the front half of Lot 8, conc. 7. Young children: Catherine 17, Christina 15, Mary 13, Patrick, 8, Rebecca 3.
Dianne 9/16/99: I have the land abstracts for John 1 and the land leaves him to go to his son around 1824c. I have to go and read your next email. Isn't this fun. Dianne
Glengarry County, Ontario Canada Lochiel was a township in which there were these towns: McCrimmon, Dalkeith, Glen Robertson and Lochiel. West Hawkesbury was a township in Prescott County. In that township were the towns of Hawkesbury and Vankleek Hill. I understand most of these northern areas are now all French.
John McCrimmons in the Land Office Records, Ontario: -Land book H 1808-11 p348 -Land book J 1816-19 p481 -Land Book M 1819-20 p ?47 -Hawksbury Upper Canada Land Petitions M 12 p92 1819/original land grant/ -Land Book M 1824-26 p55 [note there is a Donald, Duncan and Farquhar on same page] *** -Kenyon 1843 Upper canada Land Petiton K2/21 -Upper Canada Lnd Book index 1848-50 p 636 -Upper Canada Land Petition Mc5/183 1850-[own photocopy, son of Farquhar]*** -Upper Canada Land book 1855-58 p607 -John and Lachlan McNeill 1857 Lochiel UpperCanada Land Petiton Mc8/81
from Tom@mccrimmon.demon.co.uk 1997 Feb 12: Bonnie, Sorry the attachment didn't make it...I would love to blame the technology but it was probably just my fingers being quicker than my brain (not unusual). This time I hope to get it right!
It was great to hear from you and I agree it would be wonderful if we were related and all my research suggests that there was only ever one root to the family and that was based originally in Harris (probably) and later Skye: so we almost certainly are if only through an ancestor alive in the sixteenth century. The attachment is a copy of a handbook produced for the Piobaireachd Society by a professional genealogist in 1936. I'm not sure what you know about the MacCrimmon piping tradition but our ancestors created the current form of bagpipe music - especially the classical piobaireachd and the Piob. Soc. wanted a record of this 'remarkable' family. My grandfather assited the author and I have copies of one or two letters exchanged between them. It was only after my father died that I determined to seek out the family tree and came across the document you now have.
I am in contact with other McCrimmons and one day would like to publish an updated tree- probably on the Internet- so we can all share that fascinating history. Just think of the stories that family lines such as yours must have from the Highland clearances to the settlement of the Americas- there are huge numbers of 'MacCrimmons over the water' including my two sisters who now live in Toronto.
Where are you based? I live with my family in southern England (Chippenham in Wiltshire) although I was born in Liverpool with the heart and soul of a Skyeman. You can tell I'm an old romantic!
Let me know how you get on.
1997 Dec 13 - Tom@mccrimmon.demon.co.uk Bonnie, I'm sorry you haven't had much luck receiving the bits and pieces I have sent but don't worry- we McCrimmons stick together. I sent two mails to you yesterday; the first had an ascii attachment with the details of the family line from 1460 (I think) so let me know if that has yet to arrive. The picture I sent was in PCX format but I have converted it to JPG so it should be OK this time. I use an IBM compatible and unlike you rich McCrimmons :) I can't afford a Mac which may explain some of the file transfer problems.
I have been using the Internet to build up a list of McCrimmons so I can contact them, send them a copy of the family tree and ask them to add to it. Most of our distant relatives seem to live in North America and a surprising number seem to be boffins (University professors etc) which makes me wonder where I went wrong! I have been in touch with Ken McCrimmon who also lives in California and he has a webpage which is easy to find. He can't add to the tree because all he knows is that the family possibly moved down from somewhere in the north. Perhaps he needs some help in doing the research. One or two McCrimmons have pictures on web pages but none of them look like me which is probably in their favour but, foolish as it may seem, I had rather hoped that there would be a family resemblance.
I really am thrilled to find another McC seeking out their roots so I shall be sure to keep in touch. I do have lots of interesting information on the McCrimmon piping tradition and a chap in Alabama who I have been in touch with, has just completed a project with local schools on the McCrimmons' Piping College and the magic and mystery of piping. If you need information on this I have plenty and this chap has found even more. I also have recordings of music composed by the masters and a song in English and Gaelic called MacCrimmon's Lament but you may know of this and the story behind it.
All we need now is a gathering of the Clan.
Fingers crossed here comes the McCrimmon picture.... [came through as jibberish - bgm] Regards
Tom [ Section: 1/1 File: mccrimon.jpg UUencoded by: Turnpike Version 3.04 ]
1997 Dec 14? - from Tom McCrimmon, [McCrimmo.txt] Bonnie,
Wow!!!!!! I can see that you are going to keep me busy. It is very apparent that you are something of an expert in this genealogy business and I have my work cut out to meet your high standards. No problem there but you will have to be patient with my lack of expertise and my response times (more of this later). My first mistake was to send you the ascii file which has one or two errors- the original file is a WORD document and that was corrupted when my previous computer had a major crash two years ago. I do have the original document it all came from and I will put that right and get it off to you in the next few days. You can tell I don't check my typing as the greatest errors are those to do with my grandfather William, my father Thomas and my sisters Jean and Sandra. Please be patient with me as I only have two brain cells left that work and they are both pretty run-down!
Thanks for your information. You should be aware that Glenelg is on the Isle of Skye which is in the County of Inverness, Scotland. I have some books on the history of piping that may shed some more light on your branch as they left the Island but that will require some delving. You should be aware that Scotland is a nation in its own right. At the act of Union with England it was agreed that Scotland would retain its own legal system and that the Church of Scotland would become the established church. A major difference between the English system and the Scots was that parish records and many other forms of documentation were kept in England from the earliest times whilst the Highlands of Scotland have very little in the form of written history. Such history as existed was passed down in the oral tradition and whilst mmany genealogists find this unsatisfactory, the Scottish oral and folk traditions were , and are, very strong. Records do exist of rents paid to clan chiefs etc but until the mid 1800s registers of births and deaths were not mandatory. My own line suffers from this as is is not certain who my last Scottish born ancestor really was and the tree thatI sent you acknowledges this.........my challenge for the future.
My wife's mother is working at her family tree and we have just bought her a genealogy software package which she will have to use on this pc so I will get around to ordering the information.
I have to attend a retirement party in a couple of hours and I've things to do before then so let me fill you in on thsi McCrimmon family community: I am in my 50th year and I am the Head of Training for the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council based in Swindon (20 miles away). I provide training programmes for Scientists and administrators at 6 research institutes in England, Scotland and Wales. The work is enjoyable but it means that I spend a good deal of time away from home. Thelma, my wife, is used to not having me around since it was only six years ago that I retired from the Royal Navy and a busy life ashore and afloat. Thel and my two sons Alasdair (21) and neil (18) have lived in Chippenham (once home to King Alfred the Great- the one who burned the cakes) as have I when duty didn't call but we have lived in a number of places such as Cornwall, Yorkshire, Devon and Kent. We even managed a few years in Saudi Arabia whilst I established a Naval Academy for the Royal Saudi Naval Force. Alasdair is at university and Neil hopes to start a business studies programme at university next year. Thel teaches infants (6 years of age) and we met at college whilst training-I taught for two years but wasn't happy so 'ran away to sea'. We celebrated our Silver Wedding Anniversary this year in Scotland and enjoyed a few days on our own in a twelth century castle just outside Edinburgh.
We have much to share and I shall enjoy guiding you through Scottish, particularly Highland history, and the culture of the Great highland Bagpipe which you now know yourself to be linked. I shall dig out copies of the song MacCrimmon's Lament and some of the classical piobaireachd written by our forefathers and get them to you on a tape. People either love or hate bagpipes but no-one can ignore them.
I look forward to seeing your family photos and in turn I shall send you some of my gang. I have a digital camera so that shouldn't be too difficult.
In my next mail I will try and organise some of the website information I have come across- particularly identifying other MacCrimmons and perhaps we could come up with a joint strategy for sharing what we have and supporting their sharing of their own family links. I have many hobbies and interests including amateur radio (call G4LQM) and sailing my small sailboat across the English Channel to France. The boat in particular takes up so much time......hence my comments on your need to be patient.
In the meantime take care and watch out for more of my emails.
PS If the photo comes out OK at your end be assured that I don't look as severe all the time....I just hate my picture being taken! [photo didn’t come through-bgmm]
Tom McCrimmon 11 Winchester Close Chippenham Wiltshire SN14 0QU Tel: +44 1249 659328
1997 Dec 17 - Tom@mccrimmon.demon.co.uk Bonnie, Thanks for the mails - I have only a few minutes to spare at the moment but I will take time this weekend to respond properly. I look forward to your guidance on how to structure the data collected and possible sources of information and I can see the value of citing sources. The source of the material I sent you was a chap called Poulter (more detail to follow)and I discover that after he collated that information he set out to write three more books on the MacCrimmons including one on the McCrimmons of Glenelg. I don't know if he ever got around to it but I believe the Piobaireachd Society may have the books in their archive in Glasgow - I let you know how I get on in tracking these down. The MacCrimmon's lament and other Piobaireachd composed by the MacCrimmons is available on specialist piping recordings and folk (that's 'proper' folk as opposed to US Country style which is often sold as folk ). I have a recording of a Hebridean woman singing the song and because she is not a professional singer the music is very rich in its natural environment. I will get a copy for you. Bagpipes are wonderful instruments and if you want to learn about the MacCrimmons you can't avoid them. I have a number of references with MacCrimmon history - all of which are bagpipe books. I shall send you the ISBN numbers but if you can't locate them I can get copies next time I'm in Edinburgh.
Oops- must dash but one last thing.........the myth of Scotsmen being mean with their money stems from a music hall comedian of the 1920s called Harry Lauder who based his act around thgis image. I have always found Scots folk to be welcoming and generous to a fault. Indeed the tradition of Highland hospitality has been admired by travel writers for hundreds of years. I hope you are able to sample it in the not too distant future.
Cheers PS If you have time (lots of it) you might find it useful to subscribe to the GENUKI newsgroup which is all about British genealogy. It has lierally hundreds of mails per day though.
PPS check that you have MIME encoding/decoding set on your email software. That should ensure you can decode the graphic attached [lost this attachment -bgm] -- Tom McCrimmon
This MIGHT be the doc Tom was sending me, but I have no source on it. This version was created 18 Jun 1998. It was entitled “maccrim.txt”
The MacCrimmon or Mhic Criomain family, which has been pre-eminent in the musical art of piping from a very early time, is variously stated to be of Bardic, Irish, Norse or Italian origin. The MacCrimmons were protected by MacLeod of Harris, but they do not appear to have been a regular sept of his clan, as they were free to travel all over Scotland and to enter the territory-even the homes- of other clans, and thus lived up to a MacCrimmon saying that "the piper is as the bard, for he has food and shelter from one moon to another." Owing to the scarcity of registers and other documentary records, the MacCrimmons, in common with so many other families in the Western Isles have to rely on tradition for so much of their early history. Dr. Malcolm MacCrimmon advances the view that his forefathers originated from druidical priests and bards, and in support of this he mentions their custom of wearing a light blue colour, that of the ancient bards, and- when engaged on any important composition- of neither eating, drinking nor sleeping until completion of their music. It is generally supposed that the MacCrimmons wore the MacLeod tartan as followers of the clan or because they inhabited MacLeod territory in Skye and Inverness; but there is a story that the chief of the MacLeods altered the yellow stripe to white in his tartan as worn by the MacCrimmons, thus giving them the present MacKenzie tartan. The Celtic principle of tanistry (by which the right of succession did not lie in the individual but in the family to which he belonged) only prevailed in the Scottish Royal House until the eleventh century, but it appears to have existed among the MacCrimmons until the eighteenth century, as we learn that their best piper was always selected as head of the family- thus a brother or cousin of the last chief was sometimes chosen instead of his son. Some authorities believe that the name is derived from the Gaelic Criomthan = wolf, and that the MacCrimmons originally came from Ireland. Criomthan Nia Nair was High King of Ireland in A.D.360. his successor, Niall of the Nine Hostages 379-405, was the great-great-grandfather of another and more famous Criomthan- Saint Columba (521-597). The Rev. M MacLeod, M.A., F.S.A. Scot., states that Crimthan, Crimman and Crimmon are very old and common Gaelic names and are often found in Irish and Middle Irish MSS. St. Crummine, who was an Irish bishop and a disciple of Saint Patrick, founded Leccuine Abbey, Ireland in the fifth century. Several families of Crimmin still live in the counties of Limerick and Cork. The Gaelic word "crioman" may be translated as "a little bit". most eminent philologists agree that this sept is of Scandinavian origin. Dr. Geo. Henderson, an authority on the Norse influence on Celtic Scotland, thought the name MacCruimein was derived from Rumun (from the Norse Hromundr, the "famed protector") which may be found among ancient Manx runic inscriptions. Dr. Henderson pointed out that Romundr is fairly common in Norse, and he preferred that derivation to the old Gaelic Crimthann. Moore, in his "Manx Names", states that Rumund appears to have taken the form of MacCrimmon in Gaelic.
According to Dr. Neil Ross the MacCrimmons owned the southern part of Harris, co. Inverness, in the first half of the twelfth century and were conquered by Paul Balkison a few years later. There is a legend that members of the family came from Norway , settled in North Uist and South Harris and were taken by Leod to Dunvegan as his followers and bards. Finally there is the belief, held by members of many branches of the MacCrimmons in Scotland and abroad, that they originated from the province of Cremona in the Plain of Lombardy- a land renowned for its violins and other musical instruments and as the home of a race of musicians and craftsmen. Although it is now generally agreed that this legend is merely a theory propounded by Alex. Carmichael, a Customs and Revenue Officer in the Uists and St. Kilda, on observing something of a resemblance between the names of the Italian province and the Scottish family, it should be noted that Duncan MacCrimmon of Swordlan (born c. 1770) believed that the tribe originated from Italy. Mr.Iain MacCrimmon of Sydney, N.S.W., a Skyeman by decent, has the tradition that MacLeod brought a musician from Cremona, and "whatever his surname may have been, it was entirely lost in Dunvegan, where the usual custom of calling men after the place they belonged to was adopted in his case." The story among descendants of the original stock on the remote and now uninhabited isle of St. Kilda was that MacLeod visited Italy during the Crusades and returned to the Western Isles with the first MacCrimmon, whom he named Cremonach. Mr Peter Boyd, who is descended from the MacSweens of Roag (collaterals of the MacCrimmons) through his mother, also knows of this tradition and many years ago in Skye he handled an ancient violin- apparently made in Cremona- and Dr. M. MacCrimmon also saw Cremona violins in Skye.
"Rory McCleud of Dunvegin" made a complaint to the Privy Council of king James VI in 1599 (Register of the privy Council of Scotland, Vol.6 pp.5 and 6) as follows:- "Duncane McGrymmen and Donald McGrymmen, his brother, haunting in Glenurquchy and Tullibardyne, have lately 'be some sinister moyane and wrangous informatioun' procured a commission from his Majesty for arresting and intromitting with the goods of the complainer or any other of his clan or men; under colour whereof they have committed divers reiffs and robberies upon sundry of his kin and friends , and other good subjects repairing to open markets and fairs. Thus in October last they violently reft from Dunacane McEan McGillichallum and Donald McKhucheon VcConeil VcFerquhair 24 fat kye in Glammis Market and ú120 from Johnne McFinla Doway. Neither Duncane nor Donald appearing the Lords declared the said letters or commission to have been 'wrongously procured and therefore to be null.'" Within twenty-five years of that date the famous Rory Mor MacLeod had a Donald MacCrimmon as his piper; but the traditional line of descent shows the MacCrimmons as hereditary pipers to MacLeod long before then.
Finlay McGruman of Dal-na-Bo (the field of cows), Banffshire, was accused of killing Mr. Grant of Carron in 1635. Finlay was the strongest and hardiest man in the district, and an armed force had to be sent to apprehend him. McGruman held his pursuers at bay until he fell dead with many wounds.
In the sixteenth century we find the name in its present form in two of the MacLeod documents, and the following variations in spelling occur subsequently:-
1614 MAC CRUINNEIN 1616 MAC CRIUMMEN 1626 MAC CRIMON 1664 MAC CRIMMON 1717 MAC CRUMEN 1792 MAC CRUMMEN 1815 MAC CRIMMON
The first of these may be found in the register of the Great Seal of 13 Jan. 1614 when the letters of remission were granted to many men, including "Donald MacCruinnen," a piper, for being concerned in the killing of john Sinclair of Stirkoak and Arthur Smith in May, 1612. "Donaldo MacCriummen," a piper was included in a remission dated 1616, granted to Donald MacKay (afterwards Lord Reay) for the killing of certain coiners during the arrest at Tongue. In 1626 John MacFarlane of Arrochar was bound over for the good behaviour of his clan, which included a MacCrimmon.
The late Mr. Donald MacCrimmon of Portree had a tradition that the MacCrimmon canntaireachd or word music (the expression of notes by means of syllables) came from Italy. The legend is that in the eleventh century Guido d'Arezzo, an Italian monk who is supposed to have originated staff notation, gave through the Irish monasteries the scale of letters aeiou or uoiea to the bards, from whom the pipers acquired it. In 1826 Captain Neil MacLeod, who died in 1844 and knew Iain Dubh MacCrimmon and the elder Simon Fraser, wrote a remarkable "History of the MacCrimmons and the Great Pipe" but the edition was quickly suppressed because it contained opinions which were offensive to the clergy and other people of that time. It is believed that only two copies were saved from destruction. Both went to Australia. One belonging to Gesto's son Norman, who died at Melbourne c. 1847. That copy is said to be in Canada at the present time. The other volume was in the possession of Mr. Simon Fraser of Warrnambool, Victoria, Australia, a descendant of the hereditary pipers to the Lords Lovat, who died in 1934. Mr. Fraser's paternal grandmother was a first cousin of Gesto, and his maternal grandfather was a son of the celebrated Charles MacArthur, hereditary piper to the MacDonalds of the Isles and a pupil of Padruig Og MacCrimmon. The second copy of Gesto's book, which included a complete history of the MacCrimmon pipers, their "vocables" and scales, was left in Fraser's workshop at Benalla and accidentally destroyed by some children. Gesto stated that the musical system recorded in his book had been brought from Italy by Padruig Og MacCrimmon in the 17th century. The book also contained some extraordinary genealogical information, and gave the founder of the MacCrimmon family as a priest at Cremona, Italy, named Guiseppe Bruno , whose son Petrus Bruno was born at Cremona in 1475 and came to Ulster in 1510. He took the name Cremon and on his marriage in Ireland to a daughter of the famous piping family of MacKinnon he further altered his surname to MacCrimmon to bring it nearer to that of his wife. Petrus is credited with having invented sheantaireachd or the "pipers' language," which he derived from the Bible; and it is further stated that it was a code by which original copies of the scriptures were preserved from interference and alteration, the key being in genesis III. 24: "So he drove out the man: and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." One of the important vocables is "tre" in various forms. It is said that one method of interpretation of the MacCrimmon music has been handed down by chance through the illness of Mr. Simon Fraser, who became gravely ill as a baby in July 1853 and at the crisis his mother "threw up her hands and wailed the Lament for the Children in the vocables." From that moment he began to recover, and Mrs. Fraser afterwards explained the strange singing to him on condition that he would divulge it for 50 years. She was keenly interested in music and had obtained her knowledge of "coel mor" from her father Piper MacArthur. Her husband and John MacGregor were also well versed in the "big music," as they were fellow pupils of John MacCrimmon, son of Iain Dubh, in 1848. The Rev. John Curwen (1816-1880) and Miss Mary Glover obtained some of their ideas for the "Tonic sol-fa" musical system from Piper John MacGregor.
Petrus Bruno is said to have had three sons (1) Padruig, who stayed in Ireland, (2) Angus, and (3) Findlay of the Plaid or Finlay a' Bhreacain, otherwise Fionnlagh na Plaide who was the father of Iain Odhar MacCrimmon. If Findlay of the plaid gave the alarm which led to the fight at trumpan c. 1580, his son Iain Odhar must have lived at a later date than that generally ascribed to him by tradition.
IAIN ODHAR MACCRIMMON or John "the Dun", so called on account of his sallow complexion, was granted the district of Borreraig in Glendale, Skye, by the warrior Alasdair Crotach, Chief of MacLeod, early in the sixteenth century, according to tradition, but there is no record of a MacCrimmon tenant at Borreraig for at least another century. On 11 March, 1528 Donald Gruamach of Sleat was compelled to compensate John MacAngus, Borreaig, for cattle etc. In the judicial rental of the Barony of Duirinish of 1664 John MacLeod is given as the tenant of Borreraig. Finlay of the Plaid is said to have lived in Galtrigall, and the 1664 Rental shows that Galtrigall (consisting of two penny-lands) was tenanted by "Patrick MacCrimmon, piper" at a rental of ú120 Scots, and with "cess, "teinds," "horse-corn" and "hens" the rent amounted to ú151 16s Scots or ú12 13s sterling. It is therefore suggested that Galtrigall was the original endowment of Iain Odhar and that it was not until the time of Padruig Og (c. 1700) that the piper's college was moved to the property vacated by John MacLeod. Nothing now remains of the famous school of piping; but we learn from Angus MacKay that the thick walls of the principle hall and sleeping apartments existed as recently as a century ago. The property was exempt from all feudal taxes so long as at least one member of the MacCrimmon family was suitably trained to become hereditary piper to MacLeod. For upwards of two centuries a great number of students - even the hereditary pipers of other chiefs- came to learn the art of piobaireachd or to perfect themselves in at the MacCrimmon college. The course lasted seven years and by the end of it pipers were expected to remember three hundred tunes, some of which took over a quarter of an hour to play, and it is said that many of the students spent twelve years in acquiring the piobaireachd alone. In order to obtain the certificate of master of composition and theory of pipe music, a piper had to remember 196 tunes. The MacCrimmons gave their pupils a diploma decorated with a picture of Dunvegan Castle, a seal, MacLeods galley and the date with the winner's name. The last student to receive one was a Robertson. In addition to maintaining this establishment as a centre for instruction in pipe music, Iain Odhar and his descendants were renowned as composers of ceol mor, and to them is generally ascribed the peculiar structure of piobaireachd- the classical music of the pipes. Iain Odhar composed mal donn or " MacCrimmon's Sweetheart" in praise of the bag of his pipes. The names of Iain's sons are not known for certain; but a Hector MacCrimmon signed a deed in 1590 on behalf of Isabella, wife of Sir Rory Mor, and a Sir john MacCrimmon (the prefix Sir denoting an amount of scholarship only) was one of the witnesses of a document signed at Inverness in the sixteenth century.
A traditional line gives PADRUIG DONN as the son of Iain Odhar and Padruig Coagach and Donald Mor as the sons of Padruig Donn. PADRUIG CAOGACH settled on the MacLeod estates in Inverness on receiving the appointment of piper to MacLeod in Glenelg, where his descendants live to this day.
DONALD MOR MACCRIMMON, son of Padruig Donn was born c.1570. He is said to have returned to his kinsfolk in Ireland to be perfected as a piper and to have then composed the lament for the Earl of Antrim; but the lament probably dates from a later journey when he would have accompanied Sir Rory Mor's five hundred clansmen sent to assist red Hugh O'Donell, who was in rebellion against Queen Elizabeth about the year 1595. He composed MacDonald's Salute and Failte nan Leodach or MacLeods welcome to celebrate the reconciliation between the MacLeods and their MacDonald neighbours after the battle of Bencuillein early in the seventeenth century. The following works have also been attributed to him "The Earl of Ross's March, 1600," "A fiery Revenge for Padruig Caogach," "Macintosh's Lament," " Rory MacLeod's Rowing Piobaireachd or Salute, and "MacLeod's Controversy, 1603." The Rev. Dr. Ross adds "Welcome to Rory Mor" and "Salute to the Earl of Ross" to this list. From 1620 to 1640 Donald Mor was hereditary piper to MacLeod. He had a son:-
PADRUIG MOR MACCRIMMON was born c.1595. He possessed remarkable technical skill and was generally regarded as one the most eminent composers of ceol mor. According to Neil MacLeod's suppressed history of the MacCrimmons, Padruig Mor perfected a new system of canntaireachd on his return from Italy in the middle of the 17th century. In addition to holding the office of piper to MacLeod from 1640 to 1670, he wrote a great many tunes, including "Cumha an aona Mhic," "Lament for Donald MacAngus of Glengarry (Donald of Lagan) 1645," "Lament for MacDonald of Glengarry," "Lament for Donald MacKay, Lord Reay, 1649" and possibly the "Lament for Hector Roy MacLean, 1651." Either he or his father composed "Cumha ceann cinnidh nan Leodach" on the death of Sir Rory Mor in 1626. sir Rory's wife, nee Isabella MacDonald of Glengarry, is said to have been lulled to sleep every night of her widowed life by the playing of this melody by its composer. But Padruig's best known work is Cumha na Cloinne or "Lament for the Children," which he wrote when seven of his fine sons died of fever in one year. At the time of the Civil Wars Padruig Mor left his native isle and joined the army of king Charles II. He appears to have been treated as a man of considerable importance, as we find various accounts that he was received by the King outside Stirling, played before the King when the two MacLeods were knighted, led the pipers as "patron in chief" on the march to Worcester in 1651, and was also received by his sovereign at Whitehall and Scone. The first of these legends is that King Charles II, when reviewing the troops encamped outside Stirling, saw a group of about eighty pipers standing before an elderly man; he was told that this was MacCrimmon, the Prince of Pipers. Calling up Padruig the King gave him his hand to kiss, and MacCrimmon there and then composed the famous tune Fhuaras pog o spog an Righ. A contemporary document, known as the Wardlaw MS., gives a slightly different version of this story and describes the Prince of Pipers as john Macgurmen, the "Earl of Sutherland's domestick." After the surrender of Perch, Padruig accompanied the King on the bold march into England, and in spite of advancing years he took part in the Battle of Worcester on 3 Sap., 1651, when the small Scottish force was defeated by Cromwell's army of thirty thousand men. Padruig was taken prisoner, but he returned to Scotland later to resume his post at Dunvegan, which he held for another twenty years. A surviving son of Padruig Mor was:-
PADRUIG OG MACCRIMMON, hereditary piper to MacLeod, was born c.1640. His works include "Bein Eadarainn," "A'Bhoidheach," a lament for Mary MacLeod, the Skye poetess, who died c.1700. On hearing a rumour of Padruig's death, afterwards discovered to be false, his celebrated pupil Iain Dall MacKay (1656-1754 )composed "Cumha Phadruig Og MhicCriomain." Among the Dunvegan papers is a lease dated 1700 which shows that MacLeod added Galtrigall, a township adjoining Borreraig toward Dunvegan Head, to the possessions of the MacCrimmons in the time of Padruig Og; but it is certain that some of the MacCrimmons occupied the property long before then. Padruig married twice and had at least one daughter and twenty strong and powerful sons.
His sons included:-
1. FARQUHAR MACCRIMMON, who died in the lifetime of his father.
2. ANGUS MACCRIMMON, a piper at Dunvegan who did not survive his father.
3. PETER MACCRIMMON, a MacLeod tenant of Struan in 1769.
4. JOHN MACCRIMMON, a piper.
5. MALCOLM MACCRIMMON of Borreraig, father of IAIN DUBH MACCRIMMON.
6. DONALD BAN MACCRIMMON of Borreraig, born c.1710. According to a family tradition he was an ardent supporter of the Stewart cause and, just before the MacLeod clansmen were raised, he secretly composed a salute to hail the coming of prince Charles Edward. the story of MacCrimmon's Lament is recorded in a manuscript which belonged to the late Mr. Brodie Innes of Forres and was published in the London Scottish Regimental Gazette of Apr. 1911. The MacCrimmon's remarkable gift of second sight was also possessed by Patrick MacCaskill, a farmer of Scandinavian descent and a friend of MacCrimmon. On 16 Feb. 1746 he met Donald Ban, a tall and finely built man, in the street of Inverness a few hours before the latter's death at the Route of Moy. As they parted MacCaskill saw the piper "all at once contracted to the bigness of a boy of five or six years old, and immediately, with the next look, resume his former size."
Donald Ban, who was presumably a widower at the time of the Route of May, had a daughter who married a MACDONALD from the mainland.
7. DONALD DON MACCRIMMON of Lowerkill, Skye. There is a reference in the MacLeod accounts of 1768 "To help promised to Donald McCrimmon, piper." Donald Don married Mrs. BEATON, widow of the brother of the Rev. William Beaton, a minister of Waterstein, and had issue:-
1a. BESS MACCRIMMON (NIGHEAN DOMHUIL MHICCRIMAIN) of Coll, who was such an accomplished piper that she was able to deputise for her husband, and on one occasion it is related that she piped during a dinner at which the chief and other piping experts were present. The chief did not suspect that she was playing for her husband, and remarked when dinner was over that "Duncan excelled himself today." She died at Grisspoll, Coll in 1790, and was buried there. She married DUNCAN RANKIN, one of the last of the great clan Duille, hereditary pipers to the MacLeans of Duart and later pipers to the MacLeans of Coll. Dr. Samuel Johnson, the lexicographer, when on a visit to MacLean of Coll, referred to one of his family as follows "The bagpiper played regularly when dinner was served, whose person and dress made a good appearance; and he brought no disgrace on the family of Rankin, which has long supplied to the Laird of Coll with hereditary music." Duncan came to Coll in 1762, died at his brother Neil's house in Cliad, Coll, in 1807 at the age of 85 and was buried in Coll.
2a. Angus MacCrimmon of Aird Vairnisdale, on the MacDonald of Skeabost estate. It is not known if he had issue, but and ANGUS MACCRIMMON, who is said to have left Dunvegan for Greenock, was born in 1825. This younger Angus was living at Greenock in 1848 and afterwards went to Liverpool, where he was appointed a head carpenter to the Liverpool Docks board. He died 17 Jan. 1882 having had issue:-
1. DANIEL MACCRIMMON of Liverpool, b. at Greenock, Scotland, 1 Apr. 1848, employed by Messrs. Lamport and Holt for 43 years and once saved a man from drowning by diving between two ships in the Mersey and rescuing him. Mr. MacCrimmon changed his name to MACCRIMMAN following a dispute with his brother as to the correct spelling. Married at St. Jude's Church ,Liverpool, and had:-
i. WILLIAM MACCRIMMAN, of 33 Vanbrough Rd, Anfield, Liverpool 4, father of
1a. THOMAS MACCRIMMON b. Liverpool 1917. Served in Royal Horse Artillery in North Africa and Crete 1939-45, captured in Crete 1941. Married NELLIE daughter of THOMAS and ELIZABETH WAINWRIGHT. Died 1983. Had Issue:
I THOMAS MCCRIMMON b. Liverpool 9 June 1948. Married THELMA daughter of JOHN and GWENDOLYN WILKINSON of Stainton, Cumbria. Served in 1st. Bn Liverpool Scottish (Queens Own Highlanders) later V Coy. 51st Highland Volunteers. Later served in the Royal Navy. Father of ALASDAIR and NEIL McCRIMMON.
ii JEAN McCRIMMON b. March 1951. Married PETER JONES in Toronto Canada
iii SANDRA McCRIMMON b. Jan. 1954. Married RICHARD ROTHERHAM in Toronto Canada.
II James MACCRIMMON of Liverpool, b.1852, d. 1892, m. at St. Nicholas's Church, Liverpool, and has:-
i. JAMES ANGUS MACCRIMMON, father of JAMES MACCRIMMON.
ii. THOMAS STANWIX MACCRIMMON of 14 Weldon St., Walton, Liverpool, organ builder.
iii. WILLIAM MILNE MACCRIMMON father of WILLIAM MACCRIMMON.
iv. ALBERT EDWARD MACCRIMMON, who had (1)GEORGE ALBERT, (2) THOMAS STANWIX and (3) ARTHUR.
v. JOHN ALEXANDER MACCRIMMON.
3a. KENNETH MACCRIMMON of Lowerkill, Glendale, Skye, 2nd son of Donald Don married MARIAN MACLEOD, a relative of the Rev. Wm. Beaton of Waterstein, and had issue:-
1b. DONALD MACCRIMMON, b. at Lowerkill, Glendale, Skye. Piper at Dunvegan Castle for over 40 years. Probably died in 1843. He had:-
1c. KENNETH MACCRIMMON, who succeeded his father as piper at Dunvegan Castle and was employed there until MacLeod went abroad c. 1845. He was the last MacCrimmon piper to MacLeod, and is referred to by the Rev. A. Clerk in the New Statistical Account of 1845. He had a son:-
1d. Piper DONALD MACCRIMMON of Renton. In 1910 he gave this version of the Cremona legend "An Italian boy was taken from Cremona to Dunvegan by the then MacLeod, and remained with him. He was named Cremona."
2b. JOHN MACCRIMMON
3b KENNETH MACCRIMMON
4b NORMAN MACCRIMMON, b. at Lowerkill, Skye, in 1806. He became an excellent player of piobaireachd under the tuition of Capt. Neil MacLeod of Gesto. At the age of 18 he appeared in a competition of the highland Society held in Edinburgh in 1824 as "from MacLeod's estate, Skye," but he played the wrong tune and was disqualified. Norman afterwards enlisted in the army as a piper, and served under a Captain MacCrimmon who gave him an ancestral set of bagpipes- which was destroyed a few years ago. He afterwards joined the Navy, and served as a piper in the Ariadne from 16 Sept. 1840 to 26 Nov., 1841, and on his certificate of service he is described as one of the best pipers in Scotland. In 1841 he was discharged at the Port of London and in 1842 he became piper in the Dalhousie. His death took place at Trinidad British West Indies in 1846. Married JANET MUNRO, who was born in co. Ross and d. at Renton, co. Dunbarton . They had one son and one daughter.
1c. WILLIAM MUNRO MACCRIMMON of Alexandria, co. Dunbarton, and previously of Glasgow, Greenock and Renton, b. in Edinburgh in 1832. He lived in Canada for a few years as a young man and served in a volunteer battalion of the Queens Own Canadian Highlanders. His descendants have the Scandinavian tradition of origin. He d. in 1919 aged 87, having married at Jamestown, co. Dunbarton, 12 July 1867, MARY MACINNES, who was born at Aros, Mull, in 1844, and d. at Alexandria in 1901. They had:-
1d. ANNABELLA MACCRIMMON, b. 1868. Married in 1895 ALLAN CAMERON, of Alexandria, and has a daughter, MARY, b. 1897.
2d. NORMAN MACCRIMMON, b. 1870, d. 1880.
3d. JANET MUNRO MACCRIMMON, b. 1872. Unmarried.
4d. MARION MACCRIMMON, b. 1875. Married in 1914, JAMES FULTON, of Christchurch, New Zealand. No issue.
5d. WILLIAM ALLAN MACCRIMMON of Ohio, USA b. 1877, married 1912 ANNIE EDWARD. No Issue.
6d. JOHN MACCRIMMON, b. 1879. Died on war service R.A.F. 1917. Married in 1915, HELEN MILNE. No issue.
7d. NORMAN MACCRIMMON of 9, River View, Bo'ness, West Lothian, b. at Alexandria 12 Jan., 1883. Commenced post office work at Alexandria, and was subsequently appointed postmaster at Mauchline, Ayrshire, 1923-29, and Bo'ness from 1929. served in the Royal Engineers (Signals) during the Great War. Married 4 July, 1914, MARGARET McKEAN, 2nd daughter of Thos. WILSON, farmer, of Kilmarnock, co. Dunbarton, and Bury, Lancashire, and has:-
1e. WILLIAM MUNRO MACCRIMMON, b. at Balloch, co. Dunbarton, 7 March, 1916.
2e. MARGARET WILSON MACCRIMMON, b. at Balloch 29 March, 1921.
2c. MARION MACCRIMMON, born c. 1835, d. at Balloch in 1893. Unmarried.
5b. ALEXANDER MACCRIMMON of Renton, b. at Lowerkill, Skye, c. 1810, employed at the Turkey Red Dye Works at Renton. He was a piper and often accompanied his employers, the Stirlings of Dalquhurn, on their fishing excursions up the River Leven to Loch Lomond and played the pipes in the boat while they fished. Married MARY ANDERSON, died c. 1873, sister of Mrs. Mac Aulay, and had:-
1c. MARTIN MACCRIMMON of Renton, b. at Dalquhurn, Renton, in 1836,.d. at Dunbarton in 1911. Married at Renton, JANE, d. at Dunbarton in 1909, daughter of Duncan BROWN of Renton, and had one daughter who d. in her 6th year.
2c KATE MACCRIMMON, b. at Dalquhurn, Renton, in 1842. Died unmarried, at Renton 1907.
3c. NORMAN MACCRIMMON of the Turkey red Cloth Dye Works, Renton, b. at Dalquhurn , 1846, d. there 16 Dec. 1909. Married at Renton 1 Feb. 1867, CATHERINE, b. at Glasgow 1846, d. at Renton 1 Feb., 1912, daughter of Archibald BROWN of Renton and formerly of Luing, an island off the coast of Argyll, and had:-
1d. CATHERINE MACCRIMMON, b. at Renton 4 Aug., 1868. Married at Renton, 16 Sept. 1908, ALEXANDER BOYD of 71, Deanson Drive, Shawlands, Glasgow, son of Alexander Boyd of Bonhill, vale of Leven. No issue.
2d ALEXANDER MACCRIMMON of 34, Alderman Road, Knightswood, Glasgow, b. at Renton 26 March, 1870. Married SARAH, daughter of John MACK of Dumbarton, and has:-
1e. NORMAN MACCRIMMON, b. at Partick 30 march , 1909.
2e. MORAG MACCRIMMON, b. at Partick 12 Sept. 1915.
3d. ARCHIBALD MACCRIMMON, of Gateshead-on-Tyne. b. at Renton 9 Feb. 1872. Served in the great war in France with the Royal Engineers 1916-1919. Employed by Newcastle Corporation. Married at Renton in 1895, MAY, daughter of john MACNEIL of Gartmore, and has:-
1e. ELIZABETH MACCRIMMON of Gateshead-on-Tyne, b. at Renton 11 March, 1896. During the Great War she served with the Q.M.A.A.C., and in the office of the A.A.G. (a) at G.H.Q. 3rd Echelon B.E.F.
2e. KATE MACCRIMMON of Gateshead-on-Tyne, an assistant schoolmistress, b.at Renton 10 Dec., 1897.
3e. NORMAN MACCRIMMON of Gateshead-on-Tyne, b. at Renton 21 Jan., 1900. Served in the Great War in the 2nd Bn. Black Watch 1916-19. Employed by the L.N.E Railway Co.
4e. JOHN MACCRIMMON of Gateshead-on-Tyne, cooper b. at Renton 13 Jan., 1902.
5e. ALEXANDER MACCRIMMON, of Gateshead-on-Tyne, b. there 10 Nov., 1905. An employee of the L.N.E.R.
4d. MARTIN MACCRIMMON, of Renton, b. there 26 Feb., 1874, d. at Glasgow in June, 1925. Married at Renton, HELEN daughter of John PAUL of Bonhill, and had a daughter CHRISTINA, b. at Alexandria 4 Aug. , 1922.
5d. MARY MACCRIMMON, b. at Renton 29 Jan.,1876. A governess at Bridge-of-Weir. Unmarried.
6d. CHRISTINA MACCRIMMON b. at Renton 4 Nov. 1878. Married at Gypsland, Victoria, Australia WILLIAM KILPATRICK of Victoria, and has KATHERINE, AGNES, MARY and CHRISTINA.
7d. MARION MACCRIMMON b.at Renton 1880, d. there in 1882.
8d. NEIL MACCRIMMON of Renton, b. there 23 Dec., 1883. Unmarried.
9d. NORMAN MACCRIMMON of Renton, b. there 29 May, 1885. Married at Renton, ANNIE, daughter of Dennis DELARGY, of Ireland, and has:-
1e. ELIZABETH MACCRIMMON, b. at Renton 23 Feb., 1923.
2e. KATHERINE MACCRIMMON, b. at Renton 30 July, 1925.
3e ANNE MACCRIMMON , b. at Renton 5 Dec., 1926.
4e. NORMAN MACCRIMMON b. at Renton 16 Dec. 1930.
10D. MARGARET MACCRIMMON b. at Renton 1888, accidentally drowned in the River Leven at Renton in 1891.
4c. FLORA MACCRIMMON, b. at Dalquhurn, Renton 1857. d. 1927. Married at Renton in Sept. 188- MARTIN MUNRO of Glasgow, who d. at Glasgow 12 Nov., 1919, son of Donald Munro of Minard, co. Argyll, and had three daughters b. at Glasgow, namely MARY (27 Jan., 1884), SARAH (9 Oct., 1885) and FLORA (24 Nov., 1888).
5c. ALEXANDER MACCRIMMON, b. at Dalquhurn, Renton in 1859, d. at Partick, Glasgow in 1917. Married at Glasgow, MARGARET PAISLEY, who d.s.p. in 1914.
6b. CHARLES MACCRIMMON
It is intended to publish later on three more of these books bringing the records of the following branches up to date:
1. The MacCrimmons of Dunvegan, Skye. 2. The MacCrimmons of Inverness 3. The MacCrimmons of Glenelg. ??
[end of 1998 doc “maccrim.txt’ from ...???
1997 Dec 2 - from Carol Wilson: Dear Bonnie Gaia: My great great great grandfather John McCrimmon was born in Moore County, North Carolina on August 1, 1822. So we may not be related. His father was Daniel McCrimmon and his father was named Malcom McCrimmon. In the US they spelled their name McRimmon from MacCrimmon. I have learned that you can spell my mother's family name nine different ways. Now they spell it McCrummen. I have learned that we are going to have a Big family reunoin of the McCrummen in 2nd week in August. My name is Carol Wilson. I hope you'll write back to me. CWilson604@aol.com 1997 Dec 17 Hi Bonnie: My GGG grandfather emigrated to Moore County North Carolina, then when to Alabama, and then to Texas. where he died in Lubbock Texas in 1909. If you can come to Lubbock the 2nd week in August. There is going to be a big family reunion of the McCrummen family. Love Carol
from Carol Wilson , CWilson604@aol.com 1998 Jan 4 Hi Bonnie: No I didn't know that all MacCrimmon came from Scotland. I know that gggf came from Skye Scotland. I have an aunt and uncle that lives in California. My aunt lives in Los Osos and Uncle that lives in Rohnert Park, Cal. Do you ever go to the Scottish gathering they have for the Macleod? The Macleod is our clan and I belong to the US society. I get neat newletters about the clans' activities. Someday I'm going to Scotland to visit the place our people came from. Hopefully your distant cousin Carol
1998 Jan 13 - Re: MacCrimmon - To CWilson604 In a message dated 1/13/98 4:52:08 PM, you wrote:
<<Hi Bonnie: Where in New Mexico did you go to? I have been to Santa Fe, And Las Vegas Type Clan MacLeod Society, USA in internet and follow the information. I have some bad news I'm canceling my AOL service. If you want to write letters to me my address is 1485 W. McNeil Stepenville, TX 76401. your distant cousin I still hope Carol Wilson>>
So sorry to hear you are cancelling AOL. May I ask why? Are you going to get another internet service provider?
I was in Mexico, not New Mexico. Traveled with a group led by a world famous archaeologist/art historian . We focused on the Olmec civilization, going to a lot of placess that few tourists go to. Very intersting. I learned alot. Hope you aren't going to be off email entirely, but I am filing your snail mail address.
Good luck! bonnie meyer, 6225 Mathieu Avenue, Oakland, CA 94618 =======
from Tom McCrimmon firstname.lastname@example.org, 1 May 1998: Bonnie,
You probably thought I had dropped off the map! I was sent out to work in Mauritius (Indian Ocean) for the month of February and on my return found that a leaking roof and some awful weather had cuased my kitchen ceiling to collapse. If that wasn't enough huge ammounts of work had piled up for me in the office. It was almost a month before I got around to using the home pc although my son had been dutifully downloading emails etc for me.
When I did swithc on the pc and tried to run programmes I got those awful messages ('fatal error') that told me something was wrong. I rebooted the machine from which point it refused to work. It has cost me a new hard drive and hours of rebuilding but I am more or less back to normal. The outstanding problem was that much of my backup also seemed to have been corrupt and I lost all my comms backup- including email addresses.
I know that two or three people had emailed asking for family tree information but not having read the mails I don't know who they are.
I have just revisited the MacLeod web pages and picked up your email address and thought I would let you know I am still around.
Tom Tom McCrimmon
email@example.com 9/15/99 email: “I had a grand Aunt who was a cousin of my grandfather who left info for us; she remembered hearing the old aunts and uncles talk about the trip across the ocean and the life here. Her daughter rewrote it so I think some things are mixed up a little, like Vankleek Hill was named after their home in Scotland —should have been Kirk Hill was originally called Glenelg....I do know they had a letter with them to receive the land grant. I have a letter written by Drumond to England because he was worried about the Eliza not making it through in time. I will send you a copy.” -Dianne
“there is another man near here who searches his wife’s family. They have McCrimmons in Vankleek Hill. Will get in touch with him.” Dianne email 9/15/99 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email from Anne Seymour: Bonnie,
I am a MacCrimmon researcher and Anita Nason sent me your e-mail address. You had written her cousin Malcolm in June with some McCrimmon data. A JOHN MCCRIMMON born 1859, Glenelg. Do you know if JOHN MCCRIMMON had a brother named ARCHIBALD?
Have you looked at the McCrimmon Web page? On it I have a letter written by a JOHN MCCRIMMON from GLENELG. I am wondering if there would be any connections.
The site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/2230
Check under ANNE SEYMOUR
Am willing to share my information. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Anne Seymour firstname.lastname@example.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Misc notes: McCrimmon Surname: Gleneg is in Inverness. Ontario records had indicated a number of persons with McCrimmon surname came 1815 from Gleneg. Eventually I could get Gleneg births 1792-1854, marriage 1804-41, no burials (LDS 102001), but warns that there are only 11 births prior to 1805, no entries 1831-37, no marriages 1820, 1823. We still don’t know the name of Kenneth Mccrimmon’s father however. [Later we learn Kenneth 3 sone of Farquhar2, John 1 McCrimmon--bgm] Historically the name is asso w/ both Skye and Harris (outer Hebrides) Checked in Scottish clans and Tartans by Ian Grimble, 1973, and he notes that Donald McCrimmon (1788-1683) son of Donald (1743-c 1823), emigrated to Canada, where his descendants multiplied in Ontario. Well, it is a start. Ontario is a big place however. Checked IGI of LDS and they showed many of the surname in Gleneg and Duirinish, both Inverness. So I will go forward with the assumption we are looking at Inverness, unless contrary evidence appears.— Lunn 28 Feb 1986
Notes on Glenelg: from Book of British Villages, a guide to 700 odf the most interesting and attractive villages in Britain, 1980. Publ : Drive Publicatins, Ltd. for AA, Fanurn [?] House, Basingotoke, Hants RG21 2EA. [$28 then]: “GLENELG, Highland. 8 mi west of Shiel Bridge: Only one road leads to the scattered village of Glenelg, which looks across the Sound of Slet to the Isle of Skye. It was taken by Dr Johnson and his biographer, James Boswell, on their tour of the Highlands in 1773, when the doctor spent the night sleeping on hay. Then, as now, Glenelg lay to the south of Berera Barracks, built after the unsuccessful Jacobite rebellion of 1715. Today the barracks are gaunt, massive ruins overlooking the end of the Sound, and in the churchyard there is a worn memorial to one of the garrison officers.
Glenelg—which reads the same way backwards or forwards—once formed part of the extensive estates of the Macleod chiefs from Skye. the village suffered badly under later landlords. During the Highland Clearances of the 1830s and 1840s, scores of local people emigrated to Canada—where some of them formed a new settlement in Nova Scotia. to the northwest of the village is a side road leading to the landing-stage of a ferry to Skye.
South from Glenelg is the narrow Glen Beag. IT contains the preserved remains of two brochs, defensive towers probably built by the Picts some 2000 years ago. Further south are the porest plantqtions high aboe the Sea of Sleat. There, at the water’s edge, is the burned outhouse or Sandaig, the ‘Camusfearna’ of Scottish author Gavin Maxwell’s best-selling book Ring of Bright Water, about his life with two pet otters.”
The Surnames of Scotland, their origin, Meaning and History by George F. Black. New York: the New York Public Library, 1946: p 480 MacCrimmon. G. MacCruimein. the name is fron ON. Hromund (Hro-mundr, ‘famed protector’). -The name is found on one of the rune-inscribed crosses at Kirk Michael, Isle of Man, as Rumin. -“Sir” Jhone Mcchrummen was a witness at Inverness , 1533 (Cawdor, p. 159). -Hector M’Crimmon signed a deed on behalf of Isabella, wife of Sir Rory Mor, who succeeded the chiefship of Dunvegan in 1595 (Macleod, The Maccrimmons of Skye, p 4), -an Macleod of Dunvegan was complainer against two men named M’Grymmen in 1599 (RPC.). -A family of the name were hereditary pipers to Macleod of Macleod, the last of whom, Lieut. MacCrimmon, had a farm in Glenelg in the first quarter of the 19th century. [Note this line: would dovetail with the McCrimmons who emigrated to Canada in 1815!] -The late Dr. Alexander Carmichael, who gives the Gaelic form of the name as Maddriomthain, says that a woman of the name in St. Kilda recited some of the island songs to him (CG., II, p 380). Colin McCrimthain is in the Calendar of Oengus the Culdee under 13 December, but this is a different name. Crimthann means ‘fox’. the story of the MacCrimmons being of Italian origin is too silly for belief. McCrumen 1717, McGrimmon and McGrinnan 1635”
West Hawkesbury is about 50 miles east of Ottawa [Lunn 7/7/86]
Dare I say that the Scots were originally Irish and that I am just glad to be verifying your Celtic origins...[Lunn 7/7/1886]
McCrimmons in Scotland: In Scotland in Glenelg Township there were once these towns, Corray, Islandroich, Kirktown, Cossage, Galalbolin, Swordland and Balvraid. The McLeod who owned most of the land lived in the area of Lochournhead which is past Arnisdale*, on Loch Hourn. He had to sell to pay taxes. In 1805 in the Parochial Register of Glenelg Parish there was born a Donald McCrimmon whose father was Farquhar. Donald was born August 10. In 1810 on Feb 18, there was born a Cathy McCrimmon whose father was John who was a fisherman and was living at Arnisdale*. In 1813 there was born an Isabel McCrimmon on Feb 14 whose father was John of Arnisdale. in 1814 on Apr 12 was born Donald McCrimmon whose father was John of Arnisdale.
Re: McCrimmon Thursday, 29-Apr-1999
Hi Shannon, My McCrimmon ancestors lived on the mainland near Glenelg; just down the road from that village is one of the ferry routes to Skye. McCrimmons lived on Skye and near Skye, as well as on Lewis and Harris. Not many are there, now, however. My own ancestors left Scotland because the Laird who owned the land they lived on, had to sell it because of back taxes and the new owner wanted to run sheep on the land. I saw where the Laird once lived. Many Scottish people came to America in the late 1700's, expecially to North Carolina. Still others came to Canada in the early 1800's and settled in eastern Ontario. Many of those who came to Canada moved to Michigan or moved west in Canada. The McCrimmons were a sept of the Clan McLeod, that means they were under the protection of the McLeod and served the Chief of that Clan if called upon to do so, especially in wartime. Good luck with your research.
Aileen McCrimmon answer to a post on McCrimmon web site (Anita’s)
In a message dated 09/3/99 8:28:30 PM, email@example.com writes:
<< Dear Bonnie,
Thank you for your e-mail with all the McCrimmon/McRae information.
Glenelg is in fact on the Scottish mainland opposite the south part of Skye - Sleat, so I do not have much information on that area. I concentrate on the north west part of Skye, the parish of Duirinish. However Glenelg was at one time part of MacLeod Estate and there may be some information held among the MacLeod papers held in Dunvegan Castle. They charge £50 to go through the indexes and look at selected papers, so places as well as names in Glenelg would be a help.
Do you know a Mrs Marjory Waters or have you come across her book "Ne'er Forgot Shall Be"? She has researched McGillivrays from Skye and Glenelg and her book includes everything! References to Glengarry County, Ontario; Hawsesbury, and Locheil; ex St Columba Cemetery, Kirkhill: Alexander McRae native of Glenelg, emig 1815, d. 1852, age 65, erected by his son Roderick John; mentioned Malcolm, Roderick and John MacRae.
I have come across this book in various libraries so you may be able to find it. It is printed by The Anundsen Publishing Company, Decorah, Iowa 52101; Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 79-54217; Copyright 1980 by Marjory M Waters
It might be worth contacting Marjory direct - she may have added quite a lot in ten years. Her address is (or was in 1989): 1205 Via Tripoli, Punta Gorda, Florida 33950
Let me know how you get with that. If you can't find the book or contact Marjory, get back to me and I will go through her 362 pages with a fine tooth comb.
Have you found your family in the Old Parish Records or just in IGI/LDS? The parish records would give addresses, which would help. I could try to find those for you.
If you can come up with a few addresses after contact with Marjory, and even if you don't, I could certainly pay a visit to Dunvegan archives and see what I can find for you.
Let me know what you would like me to do
Dear Marjorie, I am sorry to have not responded earlier. My 84 yr old mother had a bad fall right after your email. Things got backed up pretty badly. She is suffering from small strokes and that is hard to adjust to—for her, my Dad and me. Things are quiet for the time being. I am trying to catch up with a lot of old emails. You asked if my source had been parish records in Glenelg or LDS. the source was the glenelg parish records as filmed by LDS (film # 990665) would this be exactly what you would have access to? Every McCrimmon reference was taken down. I understand there were ENDLESS McRaes, so only those entries which would concur with the known data re Rachel’s father being an Alexander McRae were concentrated upon. The records begin in earnest c1805. I have about three pages of transcribed entries from this film : all marriages of McCrimmon from c1810-1818; McRae marriages 1804-1821; selected McRae births and selected McLeods. Yes, there are notations as to the village or parish, although I do not know the geography, so that info is largely lost. I should like to know if a good, detailed map of the area exists from that period or near it? Are the McLeod papers you spoke of as being at Dunvegan Castle indexed? Would you have an estimate of the time it would take to go through them for McCrimmons?
From: "John MacRae" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 To: <email@example.com>
Mc Laughlin Cemetery is situated on the west side of highway 34 about 1 1/2 miles north of the junction of highway 417 & 34,when going north towards Vanleek Hill Ont.
Most Scottish Presbyterian tombstones have the wife's maiden name--- Makes it nice for geneology.
There is another cemetery in Vanleek Hill named Greenwood that has some 1815 settlers from north of the town.
I grew up ~ 10 miles south of Vanleek Hill so know the area quite well.
Those are your McCrimmons as their farm was in that area . I believe that if the children of Farquher are not in that Cemetery ,they moved west. Rod and Arch and Farquher jr are there as are some of John & Catherines children and descendants.
The attachment that we Could not open was McCrimmon-Bonnie Gaia's line (397 bytes) I just opened todays Attachment --No problem.
Concessions were large areas of land . .Con 1 in W H Started at the Ottawa River, Con 2 was South of 1 etc etc. They were ~ 3 miles wide In most of W H they were divided into 19 lots ,these in turn were divided into front (F)and rear (R) Each ending up as 100 acres of land. -- John MacRae 2/23/03 =============== Re UNMRKED GRAVES: I wanted to tell you as I suppose alot of our early settlers were burried in McLauglin cemetery. My cousin Malcolm that I mentioned to you , was often on hand to dig new grave sites for deaths in McLauglin Cemetry. He said many times they would have to try again and again for everytime they would dig down they would come to a unmarked grave and would have to try again, some times as many as 10 times to bury someone. Lots of unmarked graves. -- Dianne Childs, Sep 1999 ==================
From: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: McCrimmon Date: July 18, 2005 To: email@example.com
Last week a man in Canada named Douglas Robins contacted me. He descends from two men named Donald Og McCrimmon (Sr. and Jr.), the Jr of wom was born in 1790 and emigrated to Canada in 1816. Donald Og McCrimmon, Sr. (1755-1830) was the son of one Duncan McCrimmon, who was in turn the son of Ian Dubh McCrimmon , the last principle of the McCrimmon Bagpiping College on Borraig, and the second to last continual hereditary piper to MacLeod of MacLeod...(Ian was a son of Malcolm)
The most interesting thing to report is that Douglas Robbins informed me that his files state that "his" Donald Og McCrimon (1755-1830) had a brother named John who married one Catherine McRae and emigrated to Canada. If this is correct, then "our" family can be traced back in a direct line to the famous McCrimmon pipers. Of course, you can imagine my excitement at this development!
Douglas Robbins' website with some McCrimmon family data is: http://www.niagara.com/~robbins/mcrimmon.htm
I have recently taken some digital photos which I should share... one of my great-great-grandfather, George McCrimmon (1860-1890) and some of his ephemera my grandma Betty has... and also of a kilt and tartan that we have that is supposed to belong to the McCrimmons. I had no idea that my grandma Betty had a kilt, but there it was up in the closet, and she said, "what? you never knew?" This kilt was purchased in Scotland in the 1950s. My grandma's cousin, Aileen, had a friend who was going to Scotland and she asked her, if she could, to find and purchase a McCrimmon tartan or kilt... well, the friend was on Skye and brought this kilt home. It is rosy in color with some muted green squares and some narrow yellow lines in the plaid. We had thought that the McCrimmon tartan had been lost long ago and most of the drawings or photos you see of McCrimmons are in the MacLeod of Harris tartan. HOWEVER, in a National Geographic from 1961, there is an article on the Scottish Highlands, with a photo showing the march to Dunvegan with Dame Flora being led by a McCrimmon piper, and he is wearing a kilt identical to the one we have. If you look on the McCrommon family website <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/2230/mactartan.html>, you may have noticed that they have developed a new McCrimon tartan that is blue with red and yellow lines, and claims that there are references to McCrimon pipers weraring blue... anyway, I thought that it was interesting to note that this new tartan is very similar to the kilt worn by Dame Flora McLeod in the 1961 National Geographic photo.
I'm working on a little report on the tartan and will send you a copy when I get it done.
I thought you might like to know of this new development on the McCrimmon line. I'm extremely busy with my historical books, and settling in to married life, and taking care of 30-some horses and mules and a zebra, and traveling back and forth 50 miles between old home and new home, and working with my brother in construction... so you could say time is a commadity around here.
Your cousin, --Nick Sheedy
--- bonnie <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
First off, Nick --- Congratulations!!! I am thrilled to learn of your upcoming marriage and wish you both the very best!!!
Something tells me you won't be working to much onthe Old Family Tree, but do keep me informed... perhaps you will have some new leaves to add in the future. Correction, lets make that 'budding twigs' :-) with full potential to grow to major branches!!!
On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Nick Sheedy wrote:
I am just getting to all my old e-mail messages from the past few months... I took a long trip last fall and have been busy busy... am getting married in April, and so busy is putting it mildly!
I will correct the information in my gedcom when I get a chance, RE Rachel McRae, wife of Fauquhar McCrimmon. Funny fingers make mistakes sometimes! I don't know how I got Margaret and Rachel confused.
Is there anyone's tree out there that isn't confused somewhere? I have errors on mine. I must make a point of putting up a correct tree myself! All we can do is 'proof' others' trees and help each other. I sure welcome your questions and suggestions too. I know sometimes I work late at night or just plain make a stupid error through inattention. Luckily we are all working toward the same goal and eventually we will get things ironed out. I love having someone question my stuff -- makes me go back and reevaluate
Like here with the McRaes... it has been eons since I have gone over this material:
There were apparetnly two men named Alexander McRae who emigrated to Canada on the ship Eliza in 1815: Alexander and Margaret (McRae) McRae who had a younger family at the time...
the children listed with them range in age from 21 to 3.
and one Alexander McRae (b. abt. 1747 in/of Gleneg, Inverness, Scotland) who married Catherine (nee MacIntosh) and had a couple or three sons emigrate as well.
This is true. I don't know the mother of Alexander McRae b ca 1747, but his father was named John and Alexander had a brother Roderick McRae who m Marion Murchison. My notes on this man: summer 1815- ELIZA [Diane 9/15/99] emig fr Greenock INV to QUE. Settle prob Lananrk Co ONT Wife Marion Murchison [see] with him and ch ====================================== Eliza ship list [www.shipslist.com] Roderick McRae age 60 ca 1815 / b ca 1755/ farmer res. Glenelg. Wife Marion MURCHISON age 55/ b ca 1760/ res Glenelg Donald, son, carpenter age 28 age 1787/ res Glenelg Alexander, age 26/ b. ca 1789/ son carpenter and tailor / res. Glenelg Malcolm, son age 21/b ca 1794/laborer res Glenelg Ann, daughter age 23/ b ca 1792 res glenelg. =============================== I also have a tree on Alexander's brother Roderick and Marion Murhison. They also came on the Eliza. -- Dianne Childs 9/18/99 ================================= Alexander was Roderickâ€™s brother. They settled on Fraser Ridge Road, West Hawkesbury on concession over from John1 Mccrimmon and his wife Catherine.-Dianne 9/15/99 email [end notes on Roderick McRae] Note that they settled on land in concession from our John and Catherine McCrimmon - also, I have not checked the claim that Alexander and Roderick were brothers, but took if from Dianne Childs. I can't recall now, but I believe she did original record research in Canada.
My notes [for what they are worth, this might be all repeat info for you?] on Alexander b ca 1747:
this is the Line of *** John Land McRae [also *** John MacRae <email@example.com>] In-laws of Catherine Anne (John 1) McCrimmon, who m. Archibald ================== 1815: emigrated to Canada aboard the Eliza. John Land McRae says 13 McRae families, 10 male and 3 female came on the Eliza. ================== 1815 Eliza virtual passenger list [www.theshipslist.com]: Alexander McRAE age 68 / 1747/ farmer of Glenelg Catherine McINTOSH, wife age 55/ 1760 of Glenelg Roderick son age 24 / 1791 of Glenelg Archibald son age 22/ 1793 of Glenelg Christian, granddaughter age 10/ c 1805 of Glenelg ======================= Hi Bonnie, that is a cute saying isn't it...Catherine MacIlwain told me that one , she used to be a McCrimmon, she comes from my McRae side. I was just going to send you the Anne McCrimmon side of my family but I had better send you the whole of it. I have the side of my Archie McRae and I also have the side of his Brother Roderick. These where the 2 younger sons of Alexander and Catherine, I also have a tree on Alexander's brother Roderick and Marion Murhison. They also came on the Eliza. When I went to the archives I only looked at the ship Eliza and copied down the families of McRae and McCrimmon. I really should have copied the McCuaig's and McDonell and McIntoshe and others. My GGGrandfather Archibald McRae and Catherine Anne McCrimmon got engaged on the ship coming over. All records of Anne are in the name o f Nancy or Anne except one letter from Aunt Mary Silverthorne who said her name was Catherine Anne, John1's daughter Catherine was the right age and the only one that came on the same ship. So be it. I also have it that a whole village came at the same time, and that they brought large chests full of everything valuable that they had. I also have a history of Murdoch McRae and his wife Mary MacDonald that came from the Isle of Skye and settled in Happy Hallow near Vankleek Hill with 20 other people. I have a parcel tree of Margret McRae and John Fraser who also came on the Eliza. I have a typed copy of a letter from Gordon Drummond writen in Quebec in 1815 in respects to the arrival of the Dorthy, Baltic Merchant and Atlas, with concerns for the Eliza that had not yet arrived on Sept 23, 1815 and then the on the arrival of the Eliza in the river with 40 familes aboard, sailed on Aug 6 and arrival on Sept 27, 1815. The letter was addressed to My Lord and was writen from the Castle of St. Lewis. Quebec. Last year when I was in Glengarry for the games my cousin Malcolm McRae ( with 5 lines of McRae running through him nows so much of the history
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 From: AWNRDC@aol.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Scottish immigration after 1745 To: firstname.lastname@example.org
While it may be true that overall immigration slowed down after 1720, this was not the case for immigrants from Scotland. There was a huge wave of Scottish emigration from 1745 to about 1800, and many Scots came to America during this period. Some were fleeing after the second Jacobite Rebellion, others were victims of the Highland Clearances. Many Scots went to Canada, but I would have thought that a good few ended up south of the border.
Of course many did. Still compared to 1720, according to the estimates I have seen, this rate of immigration was still lower than prior to 1720. The estimates could be wrong, but they aren't my estimates. Now I also see some contradictory information on the net. I shall have to go back and study this some more.
"The Original Scots Colonists of Early America" 1612 - 1783 Introduction "The Scottish participation in the settlement of America dates from the early seventeenth century, and from that time until the American Revolution probably around 150,000 Scots emigrated to the New World. During the seventeenth century many Scots settled within the English, Dutch and French colonies, while others attempted to establish independent Scots colonies in Nova Scotia, New Jersey, South Carolina and at Darien (Note: Darien is the Scots' name for Panama.--GB). After the political union of Scotland and England in 1707 the Scots had unrestricted access to the English plantations in America. Emigration expanded slowly but steadily until 1763 when a combination of factors in Scotland and America stimulated emigration, especially from the Highlands. Although Scots could be found throughout the American colonies from Barbados to Rupert's Land, areas such as Georgia, the Carolinas, upper New York, Nova Scotia and Jamaica had the greatest concentration of Scottish immigrants. This then was the general pattern of Scottish immigration and settlement in colonial America." "The Original Scots Colonists of Early America" 1612 - 1783, David Dobson, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, Maryland, Copyright 1989 =======
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 From: Carol Vass <email@example.com> Subject: Re: [DNA] Scottish immigration after 1745 To: firstname.lastname@example.org Anne: I've lost track of the point you're trying to make also, but wanted to refer you to David Hackett Fischer's book, "Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America." In terms of Scotch-Irish immigration waves described by Fischer, I think it's fair to say that they did NOT 'mostly' come before 1720. While the southern colonies and the subsequent US states had immigrants of many different European origins, the Scotch Irish make up a huge portion of the 'typical' early settlers of the southern region. Fisher describes Scotch-Irish peak periods of immigration as occurring in the years 1718, 1729, 1741, 1755, 1767 and 1774. On page 608, he says "Through the long period for 1718 to 1775, the annual number of immigrants from Ireland, Scotland and the north of England averaged more that 5,000 a year. At least 150,000 came from northern Ireland, sailing mostly from the ports of Belfast, Lough, Londonderry, Newry, Larne and Portrush." This chapter on the Scotch-Irish immigration with copious statistics, tables and maps, is far too lengthly to go into on the list. I'm sure you can find this book through inter-library loan. The first chapter is on English settlers in the New England area (the 'Great Migration) and Fisher says immigration to that part of America slowed by 1640, but I'm more familiar with the Scotch-Irish.
Perhaps I missed or miss-interpreted the point you were making, but just wanted to let you know about this excellent book. David Hackett Fischer is the Warren Professor of History at Brandeis, so this is a respectable 'history' (sources, footnotes, maps, tables, etc) rather than a book meant for popular consumption.
Carol Vass Kent, WA ==============
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 From: AWNRDC@aol.com Subject: Re: [DNA] Scottish immigration after 1745 To: email@example.com
David Hackett Fischer's book, "Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America."
Thanks to you too! I can see that the information I was relying on is dated or flat out wrong. I shall re-educate meself!
Note: “of Glenelg” in 1815
Note: Dianne 9/15/99
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