Otto Of Grabfeld: Death: Abt 983
Note: List of occupations: *Graf in der Wetterau (Count in the Wetterau, Greve i Wetterau, fl. 914), *Graf im Rheingau (Count in the Rheingau, Greve i Rheingau, Comte de Rheinhausen, fl. 917, 948), *Graf im Lahngau (Count in the Lahngau, Greve i Langau, fl. 918) ----------------- Ben M. Angel notes: finding verifiable references on this person is a bit of a challenge. According to the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Franconia: * http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm In the section on Poppo III, Graf im Grabfeld und Tullfeld (d.945): According to Europ�aische Stammtafeln, Graf Poppo [III] was the possible father of Graf Poppo [IV] and of Graf Otto [I] (-died after 982). The latter appears identical with "Otto Graf von Grabfeld", who has been identified byJackman as the son of Udo Graf in der Wetterau, im Rheingau und Lahngau [Konradiner] References: * ES III 54. * Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research), p. 70 ---- The other possibility places this ancestor in Lahngau (following Poppo II's link in the above page). The relationships seem to match the profile, but the location of his county is different from Wetterau (Lahngau is just to the north of Wetterau, according to German Wikipedia), and the years do not match 880-949. From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Franconia: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#Udo860879 Chapter 4. GRAFEN im LAHNGAU (KONRADINER) This family, of Frankish origin, established a strong position in Franconia during the reign of Ludwig IV "das Kind" King of the East Franks. They eliminated their closest rivals the Babenberger family in 906. The succession of a member of this family to the German throne was seen as the obvious choice after the death without heirs of King Ludwig IV. As will be seen in the analysis set out below, many of the family relationships in this family are speculative, based on the onomastic theories of Jackman. UDO, son of GEBHARD Graf im Niederlahngau & his wife ---. Graf im Lahngau. 860/879. m ---. The identity of Udo's wife is not known with certainty. *According to Jackman, she may have been [Judith], daughter of Konrad Graf im Linz- und Argengau. King Arnulf in a charter dated 19 May 891 names "Chonradi?comitis et nepotis nostri". The speculation is that the relationship may have been through Konrad's mother who, if identified as the daughter of Konrad Graf im Linz- under Argengau, was the niece of King Arnulf's paternal grandmother Queen Hemma. *However, an interesting puzzle is highlighted by the charter dated 10 Feb 910 under which "Hludouuicus?rex" confirmed the foundation of St Georg at Limburg-an-der-Lahn at the request of "Chuonrati ducis et fidelis neptis nostri,cuidam Chuonrato?comiti nostro filio Eberhardi in pago Loganahe in suo comitatu". "Chuonrati ducis et fidelis neptis nostri?" in this document is identified as the future Konrad I King of Germany, and therefore the son of Konrad who is named in the 891 charter. *The two documents are therefore consistent in this respect when both are described as "nepotis" of King Arnulf and King Ludwig IV. However, "?cuidam Chuonrato?comiti nostro filio Eberhardi" is identified as Konrad "Kurzbold", son of Eberhard (killed in [902/03]) who is identified in other sources (as explained below) as the brother of the senior Konrad who is named in the 891 charter. The problem is that Konrad "Kurzbold" is not identified, either in the 910 charter or in other documentation in which he is named, as "nepos" of either of the Carolingian monarchs. One explanation could be that Konrad and Eberhard were born from different marriages of their father. Udo & his wife had [four possible] children, who as shown below are confirmed as brothers in primary sources none of which mentions their parentage (truncated): 1. KONRAD ([845/60]-killed in battle near Fritzlar 27 Feb 906, bur Weilburg Martinskirche). *Graf im Oberlahngau (886). *Graf im Hessengau (897). *Graf im Gotzfeldgau (903): *Graf in der Wetterau (905). *Graf im Wormsgau (906): *Markgraf in Thuringia. *m GLISMOD, daughter of --- (-26 Apr 924). Graf Konrad & his wife had [four] children (including Konrad I, King of Germany). 2. EBERHARD (-killed in battle near Andernach 23 Oct 939). *Lay Abbot of St Maximin at Trier (909). *Graf im Hessen und Perfgau (913), *Graf im Oberlahngau (913 and 928), *Markgraf (914), *Duke of Franconia, Truchsess (936), *Pfalzgraf (938). *Rebelled, killed in exile. *[m ---. Jackman speculates that Eberhard married (after Jun 910), as her third husband, Oda von Sachsen, widow firstly of Zwentibold King of Lotharingia [Carolingian] and secondly of Graf Gerhard [Matfriede], daughter of Otto ?des Erlauchten? Duke [of Saxony] & his wife Hedwig (-2 Jul after 952)]. *Eberhard [& his wife had one possible daughter]. 3. OTTO (-after 918). *Graf im Ruhrgau. *Graf an der mittleren Lahn (912). 4. [daughter . *Widukind names "Burghardum quoque Bardonem", specifying "quorum alter gener regis erat", when recording that Duke Heinrich drove them from Thuringia in 913. *m BURKHARD, son of BURKHARD dux in Thuringia & his wife ---.] References: * Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research), p. 72. * D Arn 89, p. 181. * D LK 72, p. 208. * Jackman (1997), p. 72. * Reuter, T. (1991) Germany in the early middle ages c.800-1056 (Longman), p. 131. * Annales Alemannici, MGH SS I, 55, quoted in Reuter (1991), p. 135. * Jackman (1997), p. 88. * Widukind I.22, MGH SS III, p. 427. --- And (same Udo as son of Gebhard and unknown daughter of Ernst I, Graf im Nordgau who d.865) from the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Early German Nobility: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#Udodied879 2. UDO (-879 or after). *The Annales Fuldenses record that the property of "Ernustum" was confiscated at a council in Regensburg in 861, and "Utonem quoque et Berengarium fratres eius, Sigihardum atque Gerolt comites Waldonemque abbatem" were banished as accomplices, specifying that "Uto et Berengarius cum Waldone fratre suo" went to France to "Karolum rege". The Annales Fuldenses record that "Werinharium quoque, Utonem et Berengarium comites a patre suo depositos" were promised the restoration of their dignities in 866. References: * Annales Fuldenses Pars Secunda, auctore Euodolfo 861, MGH SS I, p. 374. * Annales Fuldenses Pars Tertia, auctore incerto 866, MGH SS I, p. 379. ------------------------------ Details for of the Lower LahngauWetterau Family (No sources cited) ----- Third Generation ----- 3. Count Udo of the Wetterau - *was born about 0880, lived in Schwaben, Bavaria and *died on 2 Dec 0949 . *He was the son of Count Gebhard II of the Wetterau and Adaele de Vermandois. *Count Udo married Adelheid de Vermandois before 1068. Adelheid was born about 0882, lived in Vermandois, Neustria. She died on 12 Dec 0949 . -------------------- # D: I28868 # Name: Udo of the Wetterau # Given Name: Udo # Suffix: of the Wetterau # Prefix: Count # Sex: M # Birth: ABT 0880 in of Schwaben, Bavaria # Death: 2 Dec 0949 # Ancestral File #: 9G82-SH # _UID: F3338172DDBDD611BF69444553540000F285 1 # Change Date: 1 Sep 2002 at 01:00:00 Father: Gebhard of the Wetterau b: ABT 0866 in Schwaben, Bavaria Marriage 1 de Vermandois b: ABT 0882 in of Vermandois, Neustria * Married: BEF 1068 * Children **1. Has Children Konrad in the Rheingau b: ABT 0910 in Schwaben, Bavaria **2. Has No Children Gebhard of the Wetterau b: ABT 0912 in Schwaben, Bavaria **3. Has No Children Heribert in Kinziggau b: ABT 0914 in Kinzig, Hessen, Germany **4. Has No Children Udo of the Wetterau b: ABT 0916 in of Wetterau, , Germany **5. Has No Children Judith of the Wetterau b: ABT 0934 in of Wetterau, , Germany Sources: 1. Title: #719 -------------------- From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Franconia: a) UDO ([895/900]-949). Regino names "duobus filiis suis [=Gebeardus comes] ?pueris Udone et Herimanno" when recording their father's death fighting the Hungarians in 910. His birth date range is estimated from Regino thus describing him as "puer"on the death of his father, but bearing in mind the likely birth date range of his own son Gebhard. "Chuonradus?rex" confirmed privileges to the bishopric of Utrecht by charter dated 9 Jul 914 at the request of "Udonem consanguineum nostrum Vualdergerumque comitem". Liudprand names "Huto sane" as brother of "Herimanni Suevorum ducis". Graf in der Wetterau 914: "Chuonradus?rex" granted property "in comitatu Otonis in pago Wetereiba" to Weilburg church by charter dated 24 Apr 914. "Chuonradus?rex" confirmed property to the bishopric of Utrecht at the request of "Udonem consanguineum nostrum Vualdgerumque comitum" by charter dated 9 Jul 914. Graf im Rheingau 917: "Chuonradus?rex" granted property "in pago Rinicgouue in comitatu Utonis" to "capellano Werinolf" by charter dated 3 Nov 917. Graf im Lahngau 918. He founded St Maria at Wetzlar 914-915. "Heinricus?rex" granted property to "in pago Hegouue in eodem comitatu?in loco Siginga" to "Baboni?comitis Burchardi vassallo" after consultation with "Burchardi, Ebarhardi, Chuonradi, Heinrici atque Utonis?comitum" by charter dated 30 Nov 920. Graf im Rheingau 948: "Otto?rex" granted property "in villa Hemmingersbach?in pago Rinecgouue in comitatu Vdonis comitis?in pago Lobotengouue in comitatu Cunradi comitis" to "clerico Liuthere" by charter dated 28 Feb 948. Thietmar records that "Udo" killed Eberhard, which is assumed to refer to Udo son of Gebhard, Eberhard being his first cousin. The necrology of Fulda records the death in 949 of "Uto comes". Regino records the death in 950 of "Uto comes". m () [CUNIGUNDIS] de Vermandois, daughter of HERIBERT I Comte de Vermandois & his wife [Liedgardis] ([890/900]-after 943). The Vermandois origin of Graf Udo's wife is suggested by the fact that Flodoard refers to the wife of "Uddone [frater Hermanno]" as amita of "Hugo [de Vermandois Archbishop of Reims]". The name of Graf Udo's wife is not given explicitly in the sources. However, a "Cunegundis" is named in a name-list in the Reichenau memorial book dated [926/32] which appears to include members of the Konradiner family, Jackman suggesting that she is well placed in the list to be Graf Gebhard's wife, although this is not the only possible interpretation. Udo & his wife had three children: i) GEBHARD ([918/20]-killed in battle 938). Widukind names "Gevehardus, Udonis filius, fratris Herimanni ducis" when recording his death while suppressing the rebellion of Thankmar. His birth date range is estimated from the likely birth date range of his father and assuming that Gebhard was an adolescent or young adult when he died. ii) OTTO ([920/25]-). The notice concerning the Hammerstein marriage dispute names (in its first part) "Gebehard et Udo nepotes, filii duorum fratrum. Gebehard genuit Cunonem. Udo genuit Ottonem. Cuno genuit Cunonem. Heribertus genuit Ottonem". It is not impossible that Otto was the same person as Udo's son Udo, although this text suggests that the two names were from different roots. iii) UDO (-26 Aug 965). Regino records the election as Bishop of Strasbourg in 950 of "Udo filius Udonis comitis". He was elected Bishop of Strasbourg 13 Aug 950. ------------------------------ From the German Wikipedia page on Udo I von der Wetterau: Udo I. von der Wetterau (* um 900; ? 949), aus der Familie der Konradiner, war Graf der Wetterau und Herzog im Elsass. Er war der Sohn des Herzogs Gebhard II. von Lothringen. In der Schlacht von Andernach am 2. Oktober 939 waren es Udo und sein Vetter Konrad Kurzbold, Graf im Niederlahngau, die die beiden im Aufstand gegen den K�onig und sp�ateren Kaiser Otto I. befindlichen Herz�oge Eberhard von Frankenund Giselbert von Lothringen besiegten. Obwohl beide Konradiner und Vettern Eberhards waren, standen sie auf Ottos Seite. Sie waren den marodierenden Rebellen mit einer kleinen Streitmacht gefolgt, griffen aber erst an, als der Gro�teil der Gegner bereits �uber den Rhein gesetzt hatte, die beiden Anf�uhrer aber noch nicht. Eberhard fiel im Kampf, und Giselbert ertrank im Rhein bei dem Versuch, zur anderen Seite zu entkommen. Laut Thietmar von Merseburg sollUdo eigenh�andig Eberhard erschlagen haben (Schlacht von Andernach). Der Aufstand gegen Otto I. brach damit zusammen. Udo erbte die Allodien seines Vetters Eberhard, nicht jedoch dessen Herzogsw�urde. K�onig Otto dankte ihm au�erdem f�ur seine Loyalit�at, indem er Udo die Erlaubnis erteilte, seine Lehen und Grafschaften unter seine S�ohne zu teilen, als ob es erbliche Eigeng�uter gewesen seien. 949 beerbte Udo auch seinen Vetter Konrad Kurzbold. Er ist der Gr�under des Klosters Naumburg in der Wetterau. Udo hatte f�unf Kinder: *1. Heribert von der Wetterau *2. Gebhard (? 938) *3. Konrad, Herzog von Schwaben (? 997) *4. Udo II. (? 982) *5. Judith, Gr�afin von Stade Weblinks [Bearbeiten] Udo von der Wetterau bei Genealogie Mittelalter * http://www.mittelalter-genealogie.de/konradiner_linie_gebhard/udo_1_graf_der_wetterau_949.html -------------------------- In English: Udo I of the Wetterau (b. c900, d. 949) from the Conradine family, was a Count of Wetterau and Duke in Alsace. He was the son of Duke of Lorraine Gebhard II. In the Battle of Andernach on 2 October 939, Udo and his cousin Konrad Kurzbold, Graf im Niederlahngau, rose up against King (and later Emperor) Otto I. In the battle, Duke Eberhard von Franconia and Giselbert von Lotharingia were defeated. Although Eberhard and his cousin were both Conradines, they were on Otto's side. The were marauding rebels leading a small force, and followed up with an offensive only after most of their opponents had already crossedthe Rhine. Eberhard was killed in action, and Giselbert drowned in the Rhine while trying to escape the field of battle. According to Thetmar of Merseburg, Udo personally killed Eberhard in the Battle of Andernach, where Otto I broke the rebellion against himself. Udo inherited Allodi from his cousin Eberhard, but not the ducal title. King Otto also thanked Udo for his loyalty by giving him permission to allow his sons to inherit counties from his fief. In 949, Udo also inherited land fromhis cousin Konrad Kurzbod. Udo was the founder of the monastery of Naumburg in the Wetterau. Udo had five children: *1. Heribert von der Wetterau *2. Gebhard (d. 938) *3. Konrad, Duke of Swabia (d. 997) *4. Udo II (d. 982) *5. Judith, Countess of Stade. -------------------- http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udo_I._von_der_Wetterau ==Udo I. von der Wetterau== '''Udo I. von der Wetterau''' (* um 900; ? 949), aus der Familie der Konradiner, war Graf der Wetterau und Herzog im Elsass. Er war der Sohn des Herzogs Gebhard II. von Lothringen. * Udo hatte f�unf Kinder: # Heribert von der Wetterau # Gebhard (? 938) # Konrad, Herzog von Schwaben (? 997) # Udo II. (? 982) # Judith, Gr�afin von Stade -------------------- http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udo_I._von_der_Wetterau =Udo I. von der Wetterau= aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklop�adie Wechseln zu: Navigation, Suche '''Udo I. von der Wetterau''' (* um 900; ? 949), aus der Familie der Konradiner, war Graf der Wetterau und Herzog im Elsass. Er war der Sohn des '''Herzogs Gebhard II. von Lothringen'''. *Udo hatte f�unf Kinder: # Heribert von der Wetterau # Gebhard (? 938) # Konrad, Herzog von Schwaben (? 997) # Udo II. (? 982) # Judith, Gr�afin von Stade -------------------- http://burlingham.familytreeguide.com/getperson.php?personID=I4444&tree=T1&PHPSESSID=7f32eec56d7a95e1d0b0104e5417c8f5 =Otto De Lorraine= * Sex Male * Died 2 Dec 949 * Person ID I4444 Default Tree * Last Modified 05 Nov 2005 * Father Zwentibold De Lorraine * Mother Oda * Group Sheet F1042 Default Tree * Family 1 Cunigunde De Vermandois * Children * > 1. Conrad De Swabia, b. 920 * > 2. Herbert I, b. 925 ---------------------- RESEARCH NOTES: Count in the Wetterau [Ref: ES I.1 #7, ES I.1 #8]Count in Rheingau [Ref: ES I.1 #8, Jackman Konradiner #1]Count in Lahngau [Ref: ES I.1 #8] known to have married a daughter of Count Herbert I of Vermandois (Flodoard'sAnnals, which state the Udo was married to a paternal aunt ("amita") of Hugh,archibishop of Rheims, who was a son of Heribert II, son of Heribert I ofVermandois) [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/9/2002-004050] 911: occ [Ref: ES I.1 #8] 914: Count in the Weggerau [Ref: ES I.1 #8] 914-15: founded St Maria at Wetzlar [Ref: ES I.1 #8] 917 and 948: Count in Rheingau [Ref: ES I.1 #8] 918: Count in Lahngau [Ref: ES I.1 #8] death notice of Count Udo, under the year 948 in the Continuator ofRegino, suggests that Udo's estates were divided among his sons, but withoutnaming the sons ("Uto comes obiit, qui permissu regis, quicquid beneficii autpraefecturarum habuit, quasi haereditatem inter filios divisit") [Ref: StewartBaldwin SGM 4/9/2002-004050] The main question is: Who were the parents of the siblings Konrad, Heribert,Udo, Judith? This is apparently not directly documented, and Jackman differsfrom what seemed to be the previous consensus. Going back to the other part ofthe document involving Otto and Irmingard (see Part 1), we see some apparentlymale-line relatives of Otto of Hammerstein: "Gebehard et Udo nepotes, fi1ii duorum fratrum. Gebehard genuit Cunonem. Udogenuit Ottonem. Cuno genuit Cunonem. Heribertus genuit Ottonem." In table format, this comes out as: NN _________|_________ | | NN (male) NN (male) | | Gebhard Udo ? | | | Cuno Otto Heribert | | Cuno Otto These are apparently the patrilineal relatives of Otto of Hammerstein (andhis father Heribert), but they don't say how Heribert fits in. The namesGebhard, Udo, and Conrad (with short form Cuno) were all common in theKonradiner family, and the Udo of the table has generally been identified withthe Konradiner count Udo, who died in 949 (and was son of a Gebhard who diedin 910). Since Otto of Hammerstein was evidently the central figure in thesedocuments, the fact that they did not identify his grandfather led some tosuggest that this was a mistake, and that the passage has an error in it. Thefirst Otto looks out of place (since he is not provided with a son later inthe account), and the lack of a father for Heribert is also strange. The mostcommon suggestion (supported, for example, by Hlawitschka, Brandenburg,Werner) is that "Udo genuit Ottonem" is a mistake for "Udo genuit Heribertum".If correct, this emendation would lead to the table: NN _________|_________ | | NN (male) NN (male) | | Gebhard Udo | | Cuno Heribert | | Cuno Otto[Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/9/2002-004050] -----Europaische Stammtafeln I.1 #8 ("Die Konradiner, 911-918 Konig vonOstfranken"):Udo 914 Gf in der Wetterau, 917 u 948 Graf im Rheingau, 918 Gf in Lahngau,stiftet 914-915 St Maria zu Wetzlar, 911 d.949 u. Wetzlar St Maria; m. N vVermandois T v Gr Heribert I; children: Gebhard, Udo [Ref: ES I.1 #8] Sources for this Information: parents: [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p123, Brandenburg 1995 p92], father: [Ref: ESI #11, Jackman Konradiner #1, Moriarty Plantagenet p23, Stewart Baldwin SGM4/9/2002-004050] Sources for this Information: date: [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, ES III.1 #49] 2 Dec 949 [Ref: MoriartyPlantagenet p23] 2.XII 949 [Ref: ES I #11] 949 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p92, ESI.1 #7, ES I.1 #8, Jackman Konradiner #1, Moriarty Plantagenet p6, StewartBaldwin SGM 4/9/2002-004050] Sources for this Information: place: [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
Note: Sources for this Information: parents: [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p123, Brandenburg 1995 p92], father: [Ref: ES I #11, Jackman Konradiner #1, Moriarty Plantagenet p23, Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/9/2002-004050]
Note: Sources for this Information: date: [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p2, ES III.1 #49] 2 Dec 949 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p23] 2.XII 949 [Ref: ES I #11] 949 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p92, ES I.1 #7, ES I.1 #8, Jackman Konradiner #1, Moriarty Plantagenet p6, Stewart Baldwin SGM 4/9/2002-004050]
Note: Sources for this Information: place: [Ref: ES I.1 #8]
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