The Schoch/Mitchell Genealogy

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  • ID: I199114
  • Name: Catherine MOLEYNS
  • Surname: Moleyns
  • Given Name: Catherine
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: BEF 1425 in Stokes Poges, Buckinghamshire, England 1
  • Death: 3 Nov 1465 in Stoke-by-Nayland,Suffolk, England 1
  • _UID: 04B24B256528384D82074B358B043F202FE4
  • Note:
    Source: Gedcom, "The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest".

    Katherine (died 1465), daughter of Sir William de Moleyns. [Burke's Peerage]


    Catherine Moleyns, d. 3 Nov 1465, daughter of Sir William Moleyns of Stoke Poges, co. Buckingham. [Magna Charta Sureties]


    The Complete Peerage states that Catherine's father is the William Moleyns who died in 1425 (married to Margery). Yet Leo van de Pas, citing "Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Fuertliche Haeuser 1964, p. 500", has Katherine's father as the William who died in 1429, being the son of the William who died in 1425. Ancestral Roots, Magna Charta Sureties, and Burke's Peerage are ambiguous on the subject, merely stating that she is daughter of William Moleyns. Still another source, Gerald Paget's book on ancestors of Prince Charles, as well as a suggestion in CP IX:41 note "n", indicates that Margery, wife of William senior, was Margery Whalesborough (this is the way that I originally had my line). Catherine's birth date would allow her to be daughter of either, though, if daughter of William senior, she would have been 20 years younger than her brother William junior.

    It doesn't seem likely that both Margery and Anne were daughters of John Whalesborough, since William junior would be marrying his mother's sister. Anne, who was heir of John Whalesborough, seems to have definite proof of being wife of William junior, therefore putting doubt as to William senior marrying Margery Whalesborough. The suggestion of a Whalesborough family background in Catherine's heritage seems to tilt in favour of her parents being William & Anne Whalesborough.


    Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
    Page: 22-34
    Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
    Page: 63-9
    Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
    Page: 2091
    Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups -
    Page: Leo van de Pas, 13 Feb 2003
  • Change Date: 4 Mar 2007 at 00:00:00

    Marriage 1 1st Duke of Norfolk, KG, John HOWARD b: ABT 1420 in Tendring, Essex, England
    • Married: ABT 1440 in 1st Wife 1
    1. Has Children 2nd Duke of Norfolk, Thomas HOWARD b: ABT 1443 in Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk, England
    2. Has Children Anne HOWARD b: ABT 1446 in Tendring, Essex, England
    3. Has No Children Isabel HOWARD b: ABT 1442 in Tendring, Essex, England

    1. Title: The Phillips, Weber, Kirk & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest
      Author: Jim Weber -
      Publication: 2004
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