Name: John YOUNG
Given Name: John
Suffix: Gas engineer
Title: Gas engineer
Birth: 1815 in Edinburgh
Death: 24 JAN 1886 in Ellen Villa,Bonnyrigg,Midlothian of cerebral haemorrhage
Change Date: 12 SEP 2005 at 03:35:17
see my illustrated notes at http://www.penicuikcdt.org.uk/John_and_William_Young.html#JohnYoung
Associated with cobblers until about 1840, Consultant, Gas Manager and Inventor
notable Gas Manager at Selkirk then Dalkeith.
One of the first to develop and exhibit electrical carbons in the United Kingdom
Advised and supervised the erection of many municipal and industrial gas plants. Tested and reported on gas equipment (eg Economizing Gas Sockets in 1859)
Scientific advisor in presenting the case against paper-making pollution along the Esk in 1866 (Buccleuch v Cowan)
Consultant Engineer to the Wigan Coal & Iron Co
Patented an esparto treatment and soda recovery process for the paper industry in September 1873 (installed at Esk Mills).
THE LATE MR JOHN YOUNG, GAS ENGINEER
"We are sorry to have to record the death of Mr John Young, Bonnyrigg, and the announcement will be received with deep regret by a wide circle of acquaintances, amongst whom he was known as a man of great scientific attainments, distinguished as a gas manager and engineer, and deeply read in every collateral branch of science that could bear on his profession. The history of his life is that of a self-educated and self-made man, of versatile ability, untiring perseverance and industry, and a never-failing faith in self-reliance.
"Born in Edinburgh in 1815, he removed, when a child, to Galashiels, and at an early age showed strong predelictions for mechanical and scientific amusements. His first attempt at engineering was in laying pipes on Gala Hill, to convey water to drive minute water-wheels of various constructions, the pipes being made by joining together lengths of hemlock. He served his apprenticeship as a shoemaker with his uncle, who had a fair library, and who, once a week, had the luxury of sharing with his neighbours a weekly newspaper. Learning from this source something concerning the new light introduced into London and other large towns, the shoemaker's apprentice turned away from his miniature water-wheels, and devoted himself to the study and production of gas. Hemlock pipes being unsuitable, he made the acquaintance and formed a close friendship with an old tinsmith, with whom he learned to manufacture pipes of greater durability, and acquired a dexterity in handling tools which distinguished him in after years. In the meantime an old kettle was converted into a retort. A butter firkin served for a gasholder, and a washing tub did duty as a tank. Sulphur compounds in those days did not trouble him, and with this limited apparatus he lighted his uncle's workshop, and customers came from far and near to see the light made by 'Jock, the genius,' as Mr Young was familiarly called.
"Shortly after the introduction of gas into Selkirk, about the year 1840, Mr Young was appointed manager. According to plans prepared by him, the works were remodelled and enlarged, and for some twelve years were superintended by him with marked success. In 1852 he came to Dalkeith, where he found a larger field for his abilities. His self-acquired knowledge of chemistry led him to be much employed as a coal and water analyst, whilst his knowledge of engineering, practical skill, and sound judgement, caused his advice to be frequently sought by gas and water companies. A few years after he came to Dalkeith the works were renewed and enlarged under his management, and the late Mr George Gray, of the Commercial Bank, who was then treasurer, wrote of him in the following complimentary terms : -- ' For the architectural and engineering preparations for each renewal and enlargement, the Company have been exclusively indebted to their manager, the beauty of whose drawings and the accuracy of whose specifications I have never seen excelled.' At this time, also, Mr Young prepared plans and specifications and superintended the introduction of an increased supply of water into the town, gave popular lectures on electricity, chemistry, optics, and kindred subjects, always characterised by such a power and fertility of illustration as can only be acquired by one intimately acquainted with his subject. He also devoted a portion of his winter evenings to the instruction of young men whom he invited to his house, and many of them, in after life, have gratefully acknowledged the benefits they reaped from his terse and practical teaching. It was while Mr Young was at Dalkeith that Mr Flintoft started and carried on his crusade against gas companies, and many will yet remember the success with which Mr Young combated his statements, and showed, with the dry logic of facts, the fallacies of his arguments, and greatly helped to put an end to that gentleman's career, at least in the south of Scotland.
"About 1868 Mr Young was offered and accepted an appointment under the Wigan Coal and Iron Company, to design and carry out the erection of coke ovens or retorts for the caking of slack and the recovery of bye-products. In the conduct and superintendence of this project he displayed his wonted skill and ingenuity, and for five or six years conducted the works in a manner satisfactory and profitable to the Company.
"Previous to leaving Dalkeith Mr Young was entertained by his fellow-townsmen and friends at a public dinner, which was numerously attended, and presented by the Gas Light Company with a valuable gold watch and appendages, testifying to the great esteem in which he was held, and acknowledging the important services he had rendered to the community at large.
"In 1873 he returned to Scotland and resumed his practice as a consulting engineer, in which capacity his services were not confined to Scotland, but were on several occasions called for from abroad. Our limited space does not permit us to do more than indicate the true worth and ability of the subject of this notice, but one or two facts still remain to be mentioned.
"At the great International Exhibition of 1851 Mr Young received a medal for a model gas-works which he exhibited. He was also awarded the silver medal and plate of the Scottish Society of Arts for improvements in gas apparatus. He received similar honours and awards from the same Society for artificial carbons for electrical purposes, and was, we believe, the first to manufacture them in this country.
"Mr Young was a member of the North British Association of Gas Managers, and one of its first presidents, and he always manifested a keen interest in the proceedings of that body. Occasionally he attended the meetings of the Association, and when knotty points were under discussion he never hesitated to give his fellow-members the benefit of his matured opinions.
"Mr Young had been ailing for some weeks, and he died at his residence, Ellen Villa, on the 24th ult. He is survived by his widow, a daughter, and six sons, who have inherited the bent of mind that distinguished the father, one of whom is Mr William Young, of Clippens, so well known in the gas world and in the paraffin oil trade.
"Most of the above facts have been supplied by one who, when a young man, received instruction from Mr Young while at Dalkeith, who delights in talk of the pleasure and benefits he derived from his teaching, and frequently in company refers to him as 'John Young, ye ken, the faither o' us a'.' "
[Dalkeith Advertiser, February 4 1886, includes the above obituary which appeared in the journal "Gas and Water"]
John Young was recorded in 1841 census at Selkirk Gas Work, Gas Man, with family and Betty Anderson
But his most productive period was in Dalkeith as Manager of the Gas Works there.
Dalkeith Gas Light Company was a well respected undertaking. David Hunter, its first manager from 1828, had moved directly from Dalkeith in 1840 to become manager of the Metropolitan Gas Light Company, London.
DALKEITH 1861 CENSUS Schedule No982
Wood Yard & Workshops
Large Iron Works, Gass Works House had 6 rooms with 1 or more windows
John Young, head of family, married, 45, Engineer & Manager, Gass Works,
Christian Young, wife, married, 43, wife, born Selkirkshire
William Young, son, unmarried, 20, Plumber, born Gallashiels, Selkirkshire
Robert Young, son, unmarried, 17, Iron Monger, born Selkirk
John Young, son, 11, scholar, born Selkirk
Alexander Young, son, 9, scholar, born Selkirk
David Pursell Young, son, 7, scholar, born Dalkeith
Thomas Young, son, 5, scholar, born Dalkeith
George Wilson Young, 1, born Dalkeith
Margaret Page, Servant, 7, (Domestic Servant), born Fife
see 1861 Census entry for son in law Cusiter's family nearby [under notes George Firth CUSITER]
Ten years on from this, Jock was working for the Earl of Crawford & Balcarres and the Wigan Coal Co. in England, He and his family (apart from the older ones) were in the 1871 census at Marsh House in the village of Aspall (now Aspull) two miles outside Wigan. Son Thomas Young aged 14 in (county) Lancashire and born in (country) Scotland. Marsh House is where Britain's first coal washing plant was buit in 1880. Maybe Jock designed it, though he had returneed to Midlothian about 1873.
I think.some of John's family would be found as follows (1871-2 Directory)
R Young was manager of the Straiton Oil & Lime Works, Loanhead
Alex Young of Smiths & Co.[makers of Royal Standard Oils] lived at Portobello
In 1874, Wigan Council decided to take over the town's gasworks.
1881 census: Dwelling: Maryfield Pl (Ellen Villa): Lasswade, Edinburgh, Scotland; GRO Volume 691 EnumDist 1 Page 3
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . MarrAgeSexBirthplace
John YOUNG . . . . .M . 68 . M .Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland. Rel:Head Occ:Consulting Gas Engineer
Christian YOUNG . . M .64 . F . Readhead, Selkirk, Scotland. Rel:Wife
Jane WILLIAMSON .U . 14 . F . Stobo, Peebles, Scotland. Rel:Serv Occ:General Servant Domestic
WILLS: 10 June 1886 Confirmation of John Young, Gas Engineer, Ellen Villa, Bonnyrigg, County of Edinburgh. Died 22 January 1886 at Bonnyrigg, testate EDINBURGH to James Gray, Banker, Dalkeith and John Dennis, Bricklayer, Eskbank there, executors nominated in Will & deed dated 17 Nov 1873 and recorded in Court Books of Commissariot of Edinburgh 9 June 1886. Value of estate £5,590.2s.8d [SC.70/1 250 574]
[Part of the story of John and Christian Young's life appears in the notes on their eldest their son William]
John Young ( 1815-1886) ("Jock the Genius") had come from the Selkirk gas works in 1852 to take charge of the Dalkeith gas works (Scotlands second oldest, founded in 1804). Something of an inventive prodigy in his youth (lighting his uncle's Galashiels shop by gas), John Young seems to have been an inspiring and charismatic character in the burgeoning gas industry, and in the third quarter of the century he became widely travelled as a consultant. John's wife, Christian Clapperton (1815-1902) (Granny Young), came from a radical Chartist family of textile weavers in Galashiels. Her father William Clapperton (1785-1860) had helped to found both the Co-operative and Temperance movements there.
By the mid nineteenth century, Dalkeith had been notable for many years for the number of its shops and the standard of its civic government. Mary Young (1837-1915) was the eldest of John and Christian Young's family growing up at the gas works; her brothers were all to go into gas and oil-shale refining. Next door to the Dalkeith gasworks in Croft Street was the Buccleuch School, and here an earnest young schoolmaster from Orkney, James Firth Cusiter (1830-1874), arrived in 1855 when Mary was eighteen and the two became married in 1859.
In March 1867, John Young gave up the managership of Dalkeith Gas Works and handed over to his son in law George Firth Cusiter. He took up posts in South Wales and at Wigan, keeping a house Ellen Villa in Bonnyrigg. His employer, The Wigan Coal & Iron Company had been formed around the mining iand industrial interests of the Earl of Crawford & Balcarres in 1865 by the amalgamation of Lord Crawford’s collieries, with those of the Kirkless Hall and Standish companies. It was the worlds largest limited company, and boasted that it made everything it needed, ships and railways included. The Wigan Coal & Iron Co.'s locomotives were constructed at the Kirkless workshops which had opened when firm was known as Kirkless Coal & Iron. Locomotives were built between 1865 and 1912 and had Crewe characteristics. The Wigan Coal and Iron Company became the Wigan Coal Corporation in 1930 following reorganisation, and remained thus until nationalisation. Most of its records are held at Lancashire Records Office and British Steel Records Centre, and many are in the Wigan Council's Archive collection at Leigh Town Hall.
When George Firth Cusiter died young in May 1874, John Young stepped in to supervise the gasworks management again before finally handing over to one of his younger sons David Young (1853-1904). John's widowed daughter Mary Cusiter and her children George, Tina, Geegie and Meg continued to live at the gasworks and David moved there to be looked after by Mary also.
David Young left the Dalkeith gasworks in 1890 under a cloud, and his place was taken by John Young's former pupil Alexander Bell, who had managed the Gibraltar gasworks for a time and later acted as William Young's assistant at Straiton.
THE DALKEITH GAS MANAGERS: Managers of the Dalkeith Gas Light Company
David HUNTER appointed 20 September 1828, resigned 3 August 1840 to manage the Metropolitan Gas Light Company, London
George AITKEN appointed 3 August 1840, resigned 20 June 1853 on leaving for Australia
John YOUNG appointed 1 July 1853, resigned 1 March 1867 to take up post with the Wigan Coal & Iron Company
George F CUSITER appointed 12 March 1867, died 21 May 1874
David P YOUNG appointed 26 May 1876, left 28 July 1890
Alexander BELL appointed 28 July 1890, resigned 27 April 1909
R W COWIE appointed 27 April 1909, went to Port Glasgow November 1918
JOHN YOUNG SPEAKS here on the occasion of his valedictory dinner after fourteen years with the Dalkeith Gas Light Company, reported in a special supplement to the Dalkeith Herald and Advertiser on Thursday May 23 1867:
"Since I came among you science has made rapid progress, and no student could hope to keep pace with that progress without practising unswerving industry and diligence. To have kept pace with this progress I make no pretensions; but I assure you that, whatever achievements science should accomplish, I have ever entered the desire and fostered a pride that my fellow-townsmen should not be the last to possess the information.
"It might be a source of edification to us all, gentlemen, were we to unfold the scientific chronicle of the last 14 years, and examine its records. In that chronicle we would find records of numerous failures as well as marvellous successes. Within that period dates the rise and expansion of that now important branch of industry, the manufacture of paraffin and paraffin oils, --- within that period of time, the railways and the telegraph have embraced a greatly extended area, till hardly a corner of the world is left beyond its pale ; and last, though not least, within that period has been conceived, projected, and realized, the union of the continents of Europe and America by an electrical cable. This last achievement is of such importance to the civilized world as to mark the era of its accomplishment as a red letter day in the world's history.
"I am sure you will excuse me when I ask you to linger for a moment, and contemplate the concatenation of circumstances and conditions that have combined to render this stupendous scheme a grand success. It seems as if the Creator of the universe, when he laid the foundations of the earth, and gathered together the waters of the sea, had entertained, as part of his plan, the formation ofthe cable, and I have no doubt indeed that it was so.
"Spread out before you in your mind's eye the map of the world. On the one hand you have the continent of Europe, on the other that of America, with 1600 miles of wild ocean rolling between. On either side we have a people united by ties of the same origin and blood, and speaking the same language. We can almost conceive the two continents themselves desiring to be united in one bond of brotherhood, if we could imagine in the British Isles the outstretched hand of Europe extended in friendly greeting, to meet that of America represented by the island of Newfoundland.
"But let us not stop here. Let us look into the depths of the ocean itself. There, between the two nearest points just mentioned, and along the bank of that 'mighty river in the ocean,' the Gulf Stream, lies prepared a comparatively level table land or plateau cushioned with shells, fine as dust, and forming a safe and fitting resting place for the cable. With a breadth of 200 miles this plateau extends from shore to shore, while to its south, the sea bottom descends to almost unfathomable depths, and to the north it 9is furrowed, torn by icebergs drifting from the north, or serrated with their rocky burdens, dropt as they melt in the warmer waters of the Atlantic.
"The labour of Lieutenant Maury, in compiling the soundings of the Atlantic, was an important auxiliary ; while the discovery of gutta percha, as an insulating medium, was a necessary condition of success, and no nation but that which could command the services of a 'Great Eastern' would ever have succeeded in accomplishing the world-important task.
"The very calamities that beset the undertaking have been overruled for good. The efforts and failure in 1860 was a school of experience in which we learned salutary lessons. The laying of that cable was too much for its strength. The labour of its birth so exhausted its strength that it had only vitality left in feeble breathings to carry the greeting of Britain's Queen to the President of America, and with this task accomplished it ceased to be. But from that we had learned enough ; the practicability was established, and what has been the result ? The failure of ONE cable in 1860 has given us TWO in 1866, now TIME and SPACE have been virtually annihilated, at least so far as America is concerned. The doings of 'Change in London at 4 o'clock in the afternoon can now be read by the merchant in New York before 12 o'clock on the same day, the intelligence having beat the sun in his course by nearly five hours.
"But, gentlemen, here I must stop, and, in conclusion, reiterate my grateful thanks for the honour you have this day done me, and I entreat you not to measure the fervency of my gratitude by the imperfection of my reply. But rest assured that your kindness this day has so encouraged my heart and strengthened my arm, that wherever Providence may appoint my sphere of labour, that labour that my hand findeth to do will be done with all my might."
1881 census Dwelling: Polygon Census Place: Ardwick, Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341930 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3895 Folio 90 Page 1
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Henry WILDE M 48 M Manchester, Lancashire, England Rel:Head Occ:Electrical Engineer
Elizabeth WILDE M 57 F Gloucester, Gloucester, England Rel:Wife
Sarah CROFT W 52 F Hepworth, York, England Rel:Servant Occ:Cook
Elizabeth HILTON W 37 F Manchester, Lancashire, England Rel:Servant Occ:House Maid
1881 census Dwelling:15 Walham Grove Census Place:Fulham, London, Middlesex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341016 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0071 Folio 106 Page 19
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Frederick H. HOLMES M 70 M Bedford Sqre, Middlesex, England Rel:Head Occ:Patentee Of Fog Signals
Louise HOLMES M 58 F France Rel:Wife
Annie HOLMES U 18 F Greenhithe, Kent, England Rel:Daur Occ:Prof Of Music
Jeanne PREVOST U 24 F New Orleans, United States Rel:Neice Occ:Instructress (School)
The Youngs were believed to have been members of the Morisonian or Evangelical Union Church. Does this mean they were homeopaths?
See Punch, 23 (1852), 177:
The Morisonian System of Putting out a Fire [Anon]
Genre:News-Commentary, Drollery; Subjects:Vulcanology, Technology, Homeopathy
Suggests that the continuing blaze from Mount Etna be extinguished with Mr Philip's 'Fire Annihilator' which should be used to give doses of water in the large quantities found in successful homeopathic treatment. Believes Philips's invention will have its credibility proved by the successful extinction of the fire.
Philips, Mr (fl. 1850) PU1/19/19/4
Carnegies interests at this time:
PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD COMPANY
SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE, PITTSBURGH DIVISION
PITTSBURGH, March 28, 1865
To the Officers and Employees of the Pittsburgh Division
I cannot allow my connection with you to cease without some expression of the deep regret felt at parting.
Twelve years of pleasant intercourse have served to inspire feelings of personal regard for those who have so faithfully labored with me in the service of the Company. The coming change is painful only as I reflect that in consequence thereof I am not to be in the future, as in the past, intimately associated with you and with many others in the various departments, who have through business intercourse, become my personal friends. I assure you although the official relations hitherto existing between us must soon close, I can never fail to feel and evince the liveliest interest in the welfare of such as have been identified with the Pittsburgh Division in times past, and who are, I trust, for many years to come to contribute to the success of the Pennsylvania Railroad Company, and share in its justly deserved prosperity.
Thanking you most sincerely for the uniform kindness shown toward me, for your zealous efforts made at all times to meet my wishes, and asking for my successor similar support at your hands, I bid you all farewell.
(Signed) ANDREW CARNEGIE
Thenceforth I never worked for a salary. A man must necessarily occupy a narrow field who is at the beck and call of others. Even if he becomes president of a great corporation he is hardly his own master, unless he hold control of the stock. The ablest presidents are hampered by boards of directors and shareholders, who can know but little of the business. But I am glad to say that among my best friends to-day are those with whom I labored in the service of the Pennsylvania Railroad Company.
In the year 1867, Mr. Phipps, Mr. J. W. Vandevort, and myself revisited Europe, traveling extensively through England and Scotland, and made the tour of the Continent. "Vandy" had become my closest companion. We had both been fired by reading Bayard Taylor's "Views Afoot." It was in the days of the oil excitement and shares were going up like rockets. On Sunday, lying in the grass, I said to "Vandy":
"If you could make three thousand dollars would you spend it in a tour through Europe with me?"
"Would a duck swim or an Irishman eat potatoes?" was his reply.
The sum was soon made in oil stock by the investment of a few hundred dollars which "Vandy" had saved. This was the beginning of our excursion. We asked my partner, Harry Phipps, who was by this time quite a capitalist, to join the party. We visited most of the capitals of Europe, and in all the enthusiasm of youth climbed every spire, slept on mountain-tops, and carried our luggage in knapsacks upon our backs. We ended our journey upon Vesuvius, where we resolved some day to go around the world.
This visit to Europe proved most instructive. Up to this time I had known nothing of painting or sculpture, but it was not long before I could classify the works of the great painters. One may not at the time justly appreciate the advantage he is receiving from examining the great masterpieces, but upon his return to America he will find himself unconsciously rejecting what before seemed truly beautiful, and judging productions which come before him by a new standard. That which is truly great has so impressed itself upon him that what is false or pretentious proves no longer attractive.
My visit to Europe also gave me my first great treat in music. The Handel Anniversary was then being celebrated at the Crystal Palace in London, and I had never up to that time, nor have I often since, felt the power and majesty of music in such high degree. What I heard at the Crystal Palace and what I subsequently heard on the Continent in the cathedrals, and at the opera, certainly enlarged my appreciation of music. At Rome the Pope's choir and the celebrations in the churches at Christmas and Easter furnished, as it were, a grand climax to the whole.
These visits to Europe were also of great service in a commercial sense. One has to get out of the swirl of the great Republic to form a just estimate of the velocity with which it spins. I felt that a manufacturing concern like ours could scarcely develop fast enough for the wants of the American people, but abroad nothing seemed to be going forward. If we excepted a few of the capitals of Europe, everything on the Continent seemed to be almost at a standstill, while the Republic represented throughout its entire extent such a scene as there must have been at the Tower of Babel, as pictured in the story-books-hundreds rushing to and fro, each more active than his neighbor, and all engaged in constructing the mighty edifice.
It was Cousin "Dod" (Mr. George Lauder) to whom we were indebted for a new development in our mill operations—the first of its kind in America. He it was who took our Mr. Coleman to Wigan in England and explained the process of washing and coking the dross from coal mines. Mr. Coleman had constantly been telling us how grand it would be to utilize what was then being thrown away at our mines, and was indeed an expense to dispose of. Our Cousin "Dod" was a mechanical engineer, educated under Lord Kelvin at Glasgow University, and as he corroborated all that Mr. Coleman stated, in December, 1871, I undertook to advance the capital to build works along the line of the Pennsylvania Railroad. Contracts for ten years were made with the leading coal companies for their dross and with the railway companies for transportation, and Mr. Lauder, who came to Pittsburgh and superintended the whole operation for years, began the construction of the first coal-washing machinery in America. He made a success of it—he never failed to do that in any mining or mechanical operation he undertook—and he soon cleared the cost of the works. No wonder that at a later date my partners desired to embrace the coke works in our general firm and thus capture not only these, but Lauder also. "Dod" had won his spurs.
The ovens were extended from time to time until we had five hundred of them, washing nearly fifteen hundred tons of coal daily. I confess I never pass these coal ovens at Larimer's Station without feeling that if he who makes two blades of grass grow where one grew before is a public benefactor and lays the race under obligation, those who produce superior coke from material that has been for all previous years thrown over the bank as worthless, have great cause for self-congratulation. It is fine to make something out of nothing; it is also something to be the first firm to do this upon our continent.
We had another valuable partner in a second cousin of mine, a son of Cousin Morrison of Dunfermline. Walking through the shops one day, the superintendent asked me if I knew I had a relative there who was proving an exceptional mechanic. I replied in the negative and asked that I might speak with him on our way around. We met. I asked his name.
"Morrison," was the reply, "son of Robert"—my cousin Bob.
"Well, how did you come here?"
"I thought we could better ourselves," he said.
"Who have you with you?"
"My wife," was the reply.
"Why didn't you come first to see your relative who might have been able to introduce you here?"
"Well, I didn't feel I needed help if I only got a chance."
There spoke the true Morrison, taught to depend on himself, and independent as Lucifer. Not long afterwards I heard of his promotion to the superintendency of our newly acquired works at Duquesne, and from that position he steadily marched upward. He is to-day a blooming, but still sensible, millionaire. We are all proud of Tom Morrison. [A note received from him yesterday invites Mrs. Carnegie and myself to be his guests during our coming visit of a few days at the annual celebration of the Carnegie Institute.]
I was always advising that our iron works should be extended and new developments made in connection with the manufacture of iron and steel, which I saw was only in its infancy.
Father: William YOUNG
Mother: Janet MACPHERSON
Christian CLAPPERTON b: 1815 in "Readhead",Stow or Galashiels: Selkirkshire
21 OCT 1836
in Melrose (Roxburgh) Scotland
- Mary YOUNG b: 22 APR 1837 in Galashiels,Selkirkshire,Scotland
- William YOUNG b: 8 AUG 1840 in Galashiels,Selkirkshire,Scotland c: 8 AUG 1840 in Galashiels
- Robert Harper YOUNG b: 12 MAY 1843 in Selkirk,Scotland
- Jean YOUNG b: ABT 1845 c: 12 Aug 1849? in Free Church Morebattle??
- John YOUNG b: 22 APR 1849 in Selkirk,Scotland c: 22 APR 1849 in Selkirk
- Alexander Henry YOUNG b: 10 MAY 1851 in Selkirk,Scotland c: 10 MAY 1851 in Dalkeith,Midlothian
- David Pursell YOUNG b: 14 NOV 1853 in Dalkeith,Midlothian,Scotland
- Thomas YOUNG b: 6 APR 1856 in Dalkeith,Midlothian,Scotland
- George Wilson YOUNG b: ABT 1859