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  • ID: I39588
  • Name: Mabel CHAMBERLAIN 1
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1273 in North Reston, Louth, Lincolnshire, England
  • Note:
    VCH Bucks (Clifton Reynes) states that Mabel was the dau. of Sir Richard Chamberlain of Pletsoe, Bucks. However the article in VCH Bucks (Pletsoe) states that the first Richard Chamberlain of Pletsoe was an "infant son of John Chamberlain" in 1324, and any daughter of him could not have been m. to someone who d. < 1310. In fact the first Chamberlain of Pletsoe was William, who was given Pletsoe in an exchange of properties "bef. 1274", and had by his wife Joan, who was a widow in 1284, an eldest son & heir named Robert. If Richard, father of Mabel, was of the family that eventually held Pletsoe, then he might have been "of North Reston, Lincolnshire", as that was where William was of before Pletsoe.

    Maybe Richard was a son of the William who held Pletsoe in 1274 and d. 1284.

    The actual text of the reference to Richard Chamberlain in the article on Pletsoe is, in speaking of Joan widow of William Chamberlain who was granted Pletsoe in 1274 and died by 1284, is "In the same year [1313] she settled Petsoe on herself for life, with reversion to Robert son of her first husband William Chamberlain and his heirs. She was returned as lady of the manor in 1316, and in 1323 she and Robert Chamberlain obtained licence to make, with Richard Chamberlain, a fresh settlement of Petsoe, which took place in the following year, whereby contingent remainder was assigned to Richard, infant son of John Chamberlain, and Margaret his wife. Robert Chamberlain was in possession in 1331, in 1346, and in 1348, but apparently died without issue, since Richard, son of John Chamberlain, known as Sir Richard Chamberlain of Coton (Northamptonshire), upon whom the contingent remainder had been settled in 1324, held in 1375. In 1379 he settled some Bedfordshire estates on his son Richard and the latter's wife Margaret, and died in 1391." So who was the "Richard Chamberlain" who made a settlement with the widow Joan & Robert Chamberlain in 1323-4? He was probably not the infant son of John, but maybe John's father, perhaps a son of William by a marriage prior to Joan.

    But why did they not choose the elder Richard, or John, instead of Richard the infant son of John?

    NOTE: I am not sure that Mabel was the mother of Thomas, as she was a 2nd wife. If Mabel was mother of Thomas, then her grandaughter Jane/Joan would be marrying her 2nd cousin, which would have required a dispensation from the church.

    Father: Richard CHAMBERLAIN , of North Reston, Sir b: ABT 1244 in North Reston, Louth, Lincolnshire, England

    Marriage 1 Ralph de REYNES , of Clifton Reynes b: ABT 1266
    • Married: AFT 1295 in 2nd wife 2

    1. Title: VCH - Buckinghamshire,
      Page: IV:316-23, see notes for Thomas Reynes, d. >1354
      Text: Mabel dau. Richard Chamberlain of Pletsoe.
    2. Title: VCH - Buckinghamshire,
      Page: IV:316-23, see notes for Thomas Reynes, d. >1354
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