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  • ID: I39405
  • Name: Anselm ST. QUINTIN , of Brandsburton, Sir 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1362 in Harpham, Yorkshire East Riding, England
  • Death: BEF 1397 in Brandesburton, Skirlaugh, Yorkshire East Riding, England
  • Note:
    I have not found out much about Anselm, except his being father of Constance. The Pedigrees of the St. Quintin family do not show any Anselm in the various branches, who would have been born c1340-65.

    HoP states he was of Brandsburton, although that manor descended with Lora St, Quintin's daughter Elizabeth de Greys's offspring with her husband Henry Lord FitzHugh. Thus it was not held long term by Anselm, if he held it at all. In fact, if Anselm were son of John by an unknown 1st wife (before Lora), he would not have been born at Brandesburton, as it came via Lora, and John was lord of the manor only in right of his wife. John's rights would have continued after Lora's death until his own death, when it would go to Lora's heirs.

    If he had a grandson of marriagable age c1418 (b. say c1400 or c1398 as one source stated), Anselm had to have been born before 1367 (the earliest date for a marriage between John & Lora, whose eldest son was named Herbert, who the pedegrees state d. s.p.), so, if he were a son of John St. Quintin, he had to have been illegitimate or by a prior marriage.

    I am following HoP's lead in stating he was of Brandesburton (although his father was not of Brandesburton until after 1367, but if his father allowed, Anselm could have been of Brandesburton until 1397 in right of his father).

    In fact, if HoP is correct in stating that Anselm was of Brandesburton, there are very few options for his ancestry. He could not have been a brother of Lora, as he would have inherited. If he were descended from an uncle of Lora, or of an earlier generation, he would probably not have been directly involved in Brandesburton. Any descent from an earlier generation in his father John's family would have had nothing to do with Brandesburton. And if he were a son of Lora, much of her lands would have been inherited by him. Only the temporary involvement (through 1397) via his father's holding Brandesburton in right of his wife (even after her death) makes sense to me.

    The sources which HoP used in providing the details of the ancestry and marriages of William Tirwhit were: C139/43/2; CPR, 1436-41, pp. 41-42; Belvoir Castle deeds, 5826-7; DKR, xli. 716; Lincs. Peds. ed. Maddison, 1018-19; Sel. Cases King’s Bench (Seldon Soc. lxxxviii), 200-3. HoP did not specify which one of the given sources stated that Anselm was of Brandesburton.




    Father: John de ST. QUINTIN , of Harpham, Sir b: ABT 1342 in Harpham, Yorkshire East Riding, England
    Mother: Unknown First WIFE b: ABT 1342

    Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown
      Children
      1. Has Children Constance ST. QUINTIN b: ABT 1382 in Brandesburton, Skirlaugh, Yorkshire East Riding, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: The History of Parliament, www.historyofparliamentonline.org/
        Page: Tirwhit, William (d. 1451)
        Text: father of Constance
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