Name: John CHEYNE , of Streat, Brighton, & Hamsey 1 2 3 4
ALIA: John /Chesney/, of Streat, Brighton, & Hamsey
Birth: ABT 1118 in Streat, Lewes, Sussex, England
Death: AFT 1147 in Hamsey, Lewes, Sussex, England (dspms) 3
Manor of Streat, Sussex:
The manor of STREAT was held before the Conquest by Lewin of King Edward the Confessor for 9 hides. In 1086 it was held of William de Warenne by Ralph de Chesney for 8 hides. It was subsequently held of the lords of the rape by the service of half a knight's fee. The 14 fees of William de Say, of which this subsequently formed part, were divided in 1439 between Edward Lenthall and John Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk, but by 1602 the overlord of the manor of Streat was Lord Bergavenny.
The lands of Ralph de Chesney passed to his son Ralph and grandson John, who was living in 1147, but the three sons of John dying without issue Streat and his other manors came to his daughter Alice and by marriage to Geoffrey son of William de Say. Alice died before 1199, and her husband in 1214, when his lands were inherited by their son Geoffrey, who died in 1230. William de Say, his son, died seised of the manor in 1272, and was succeeded by his son William, who died in 1295. His son and grandson, both named Geoffrey, died respectively in 1322 and 1359, the latter leaving an elder son William, but Streat was left to the younger son Thomas for life, with remainder to Geoffrey's heirs. Thomas was holding it in 1366, but his elder brother William died seised of it in 1375, and his infant son John in 1382, when Streat passed to John's sister Elizabeth, who married first Sir John de Falvesley and secondly, about 1395, Sir William Heron. Meanwhile the Says had sublet the manor of Streat for a time, William de Say leaving it towards the end of the 13th century to Alexander de Cheyney. Alexander died about 1296, and it passed to his son and grandson, both named William. William established his claim to the lease in 1329, and died childless in 1334, his heir being his brother Robert, but the manor presumably returned to the mesne lords as no more is heard of the lease.
Elizabeth de Say died childless in 1399 and Sir William Heron in 1404 and Streat passed to Elizabeth's cousin William, Lord Clinton, who was the grandson of Idonea, eldest sister of the last William de Say and a co-heir of the barony of Say. He was holding the manor in 1412. Subsequently, however, before 1430, the property came to Roger de Fiennes, grandson of Joan, youngest sister of William de Say. Richard de Fiennes, son of Roger, married Joan, daughter and heir of Sir Thomas Dacre, and thus the manor became associated with Hurstpierpoint (q.v.) with which it continued to descend until in 1607-8 it was conveyed to Walter Dobell of Falmer by Anne Goring and her son George, widow and son of the George Goring who had bought it from the Dacres.
[Victoria County History, A History of the County of Sussex: Volume 7, L. F. Salzman (editor), 1940, Pages 113-5, www.british-history.ac.uk]
The following entry is interesting in that it identifies many of John's immediate family, including father, grandfather, uncles and aunts:
East Rudham, Norfolk:
John de Caineto, Querceto, or de Cheyney, was a great benefactor, or founder of it, for canons of the order of St. Austin, and dedicated to God, and the Virgin Mary, who gave them the churches of East, and West Rudham, with their appertenances, and all the layland which Bruno and William, the priests, held, viz. what Ralph de Querceto, his grandfather, and Will, his son, held in perpetual alms; also the gardens of Freke, Godwin, Lambert, Wilmot, Warin, and Alman, the mill, and pool, of Cokeford Cadwellwang, the water of Taterset, and Kettleswang, and all Nowmerewang, Ralph Fitz Ulmar, and his land, Burstan, and his land, and this in exchange for the land of Almar de Gartun, which Moses holds, and the service of Somerled, the priest, and his land, which his uncle William de Querceto gave to him, Godwyn, the scrivener, and his land, and Pocheswda, and all the land of Marham, of his fee, the mill of Thorp, at the pond, with the pond, and the service which the men of the town are to do about the repairing of the bank of the said pool, and two men living nigh the mill, Godwin, and Ulfing his brother, and their lands, half the wood of Besefen, which is without the park, for the souls of his grandfather Ralph, and his wife, of his father and his wife, of William de Querceto, his uncle, and his wife, and Roger and his wife, his sisters, and Waleran de Rochford, except only the service of the Earl, (viz. Warren,) as free as his father held it: witnesses, Reinald de Warren, Ralph de Wibervilla, Ralph, son of Osmond, Sibila, wife of Sir John, Peter de Caineto, and Matthew his brother, Nicholas Clerk, and Godwin his brother, Scul.-and William his brother, Ralph, parson of Saxthorp, Mr. Will. Matin, Will. the priest, Nicholas de Staveley, Watch. -the deacon, Geff. de West Rudham, Ralph Avis, Nicholas, clerk of Barsham, Walter Clerk, and Albert, and Rigolf, Warin, and Robert de Croft; this is sans date; but the grant was renewed before William Bishop of Norwich, by the founder, in person; witness, William archdeacon of Norwich: this William was William Turb, elected Bishop in 1146; and William Fitz Humphrey, archdeacon, who was succeeded in 1149, by Roger, so that this benefaction foundation appears to have been in or between the years 1146 and 1149.
[An Essay towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: volume 7, Francis Blomefield, Pages 151-157]
Father: Ralph II de CHESNEY , of Rudham & Streat b: ABT 1066 in Rudham, Docking, Norfolk, England
Mother: Alice (Aeliz) MAMINOT , Heiress of Petham b: ABT 1091 in West Greenwich, Kent, England
- Alice CHEYNE , Heir of West Greenwich & Streat b: ABT 1158 in Streat, Lewes, Sussex, England
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Page: Douglas Richardson, 31 Oct 2007
- Title: Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml
Page: corrections for Geoffrey de Say, d. 1214
Text: John Chesney
- Title: VCH - Sussex: URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/
- Title: An Essay towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk, by Francis Blomefield, www.british-history.ac.uk