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  • ID: I37760
  • Name: Edmund de la POLE , of Dunford 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1335 in Hull, Kingston-upon-Hull, Yorkshire, England
  • Death: 31 JUL 1419 in Dunford, Cambridgeshire, England
  • Note:
    The following post to SGM, 13 Jan 2004, by Rosie Bevans indicates that Edmund & Elizabeth were not lacking in manors:

    Dear Brice

    There were two Chadlington manors - Chadlington Wahull and Chadlington Shippenhull, both of which were held by Edmund de Haudlo at his death [CIPM X no.277].

    From the Boarstall Cartulary, [H.E Salter, The Boarstall Cartulary, (Oxford, 1930), p.118-120], documents pertaining to the Haudlo family estates have been reproduced. The partition of Edmund's estates between his two sisters was made on February 8 1362 [Cal. Close Rolls 1360-64, p.387- not seen], whereby Margaret de Haudlo and John Appleby her husband, had the manors of "Borstall, Brill, Cleresplace, Adingrave, Oakley, rent in Estclaydon, Botelclaydon, Middelclaydon, and Ickford, all the rent in Upton, and the bailliewick of the forestership of Bernewood, all in Bucks.; also Musewell, Thomley, the manor of Chadlington Wahull, the manor of Headington with the bailiwick of the forest of Shotover and Stowood...". Elizabeth de Haudlo and Edmund de la Pole had, " the manors of Tremeworth, Faune, Croundale, with the advowson of the church, Haudlo, Wynchcombe, Ore, Asshedone, and rent in Canterbury and Welde, all in Kent ; also the manor of Chadlington called Shippenhull...'

    Unfortunately for Edmund and his wife, their manors of Tremworth and Vanne, rent in Canterbury, and the advowson of Crondale suffered a recovery in chancery, so Margaret and John Appleby had to compensate them for the loss. On July 15 1366 a new partition was made by the king who assigned Edmund and Elizabeth the manors of "Borstall, Oakley, and Adingrave, lands in Brill, and rents in Estclaydon, Botelclaydon, Middleclaydon,, and Ickford, all parcel of the manor of Boarstall, and the bailliwick of the forestership of Bernewood; also in Oxfordshire the manors of Musewell, Thomley, and Headington, with the bailliwick of the forestership of Shotover...'. Presumably Margaret and her husband received the two Chadlington manors and the residue [which is described in Cal of Close Rolls (1364-8) p.230.- not seen]. Basically a virtual switch seems to have been put into effect.

    The author of the CP article on the Brun family [CP II p.356 has claimed that Elizabeth de la Pole was the eventual heir in her issue citing the IPMs of Edmund de Haudlo and Edmund de la Pole and third document which I can't identify ( Exch Inq p. m.I, file 115, no.2), neither of the former support this statement in the light of the information just given. It's possible that having knowledge of the first division and seeing the properties listed in Sir Edmund's inquisitions, the assumption has been made that Margaret's line had died out. The fact is, there are several manors missing from Sir Edmund de la Pole's inquisition, including the two Chadlington manors, Ore, Asshedon, Winchcombe, Cleresplace, rent in Upton, Canterbury and Welde, and the Gloucs. manors of Coln St Aldwyn, Hatherop, and Wyke held in dower by Edmund de Haudlo's widow.

    This leaves it possible that John and Margaret did have surviving heirs. Further research is needed to be sure of this, however.

    Cheers

    Rosie




    Father: William de la POLE , of Hull, Sir b: ABT 1302 in Ravenser Odd, Yorkshire, England
    Mother: Katherine de NORWICH b: ABT 1310 in Stoke, Henstead, Norfolk, England

    Marriage 1 Elizabeth de HAUDLO b: ABT 1337 in Wotton Underwood,Buckinghamshire,England
      Children
      1. Has Children Elizabeth de la POLE b: 14 JUL 1362 in Dunford, Cambridgeshire, England
      2. Has Children Walter de la POLE , of Trumpington, Sir b: ABT 1364 in Trumpington, Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England

      Marriage 2 Maud b: ABT 1330
      • Married: AFT 1370 in 2nd husband 2nd wife

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Rosie Bevan, 13 Jan 2004
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