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  • ID: I37481
  • Name: Thomas de ST. QUINTIN , of Hornby, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: BEF 1311 in Harpham, Yorkshire East Riding, England 4
  • Death: AFT 2 MAY 1378 in Hornby Castle, Yorkshire North Riding, England 1
  • Note:
    The following is a post to SGM, 3 Jun 2011, by John Watson (Note: The nearly non-existent village of Brompton lies 2-3 miles north of Northallerton, Yorks. At one time it had a Manor of West Brompton and an East (or Est) Brompton. Hornby is within 5 miles of it.)

    Hi all,

    On Chris Philips' excellent website, new abstracts of fines for Yorkshire have recently been added. One fine from 1378, concerning the
    manor of Patrick Brompton seems to overturn the accepted pedigree of the family of St. Quintin of Hornby, Yorkshire, ancestors of the
    Conyers of Hornby.

    County: Yorkshire.
    Place: Westminster.
    Date: Two weeks from Easter, 1 Richard [II] [2 May 1378].
    Parties: John, son of Thomas de Sc'o Quyntino of Horneby, knight, and Elizabeth, his wife, querents, and Thomas de Sc'o Quyntino of Horneby, knight, and Margaret, his wife, deforciants.
    Property: The manor of Estbrompton'.
    Action: Plea of covenant.
    Agreement: Thomas and Margaret have granted to John and Elizabeth the manor and have rendered it to them in the same court, to hold to John and Elizabeth and the heirs of the body of John, of Thomas and Margaret and the heirs of Thomas for ever, rendering yearly a rose at the Nativity of St John the Baptist for all service, and doing to the chief lords all other services. In default of such heirs, the manor shall revert to Thomas and Margaret and the heirs of Thomas, quit of the other heirs of John, to hold of the chief lords for ever.
    Warranty: Warranty.
    For this: John and Elizabeth have given them 100 marks of silver.
    Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/277/140, number 7.
    http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_277_140.s...

    VCH North Riding states: Thomas de Hornby was the chief tenant here in 1316 and Robert de Hornby in 1327. Four years later mills and
    tenements in Hornby were settled on Robert and his wife Christina and their issue, with contingent remainder to Thomas St. Quintin and his heirs. In 1332 Christina, widow of Robert, and Thomas St. Quintin were holding jointly. At her death the manor came into the sole possession of the family of St. Quintin, a younger branch of the St. Quintins of Harpham. Thomas was succeeded by his nephew William, who had a son and heir John. Anthony son of John died at the end of the 14th century, and left a daughter and heir Margaret, whose wardship and marriage belonged to Richard Lord Scrope. He married Margaret St. Quintin to John Conyers, 'a servant of his own,' who became the ancestor of the Conyers of Hornby.
    'Parishes: Hornby', A History of the County of York North Riding: Volume 1 (1914), pp. 313-320

    There is no sign in the 1378 fine of William, nephew of Sir Thomas de St. Quintin or his son John, or his grandson Anthony, all of whom do not seem to appear in any contemporary records. Instead, the pedigree of the St. Quintin of Hornby family would appear to be:

    Sir Thomas de St. Quintin = Margaret de Hornby
    I
    John de St. Quintin = Elizabeth (de Swinhoe?)
    I
    Margaret de St. Quintin = John Conyers

    Regards,

    John

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    The following shows that Thomas built a tower at Hornby, expanded into a large castle by the Conyers:

    Hornby Castle, Yorkshire was a fourteenth and fifteenth-century courtyard castle on edge of Wensleydale between Bedale and Leyburn. It was largely rebuilt in the fifteenth century by William Conyers, 1st Baron Conyers after the Conyers family had inherited it, but retained the fourteenth-century St. Quintins tower (demolished in 1927) named after the medieval family which had originally owned the building. [Wikipedia]




    Father: Galfred (Galfrid) ST. QUINTIN , of Harpham, Sir b: ABT 1282 in Harpham, Yorkshire East Riding, England
    Mother: Alice de ROOS b: ABT 1287 in Ingmanthorpe, Kirk Deighton, Yorkshire, England

    Marriage 1 Dau. of Sir Simon NORTHROP b: ABT 1311
    • Married: in 1st wife

    Marriage 2 Margaret heiress de HORNBY b: BEF 1314 in Hornby, Yorkshire North Riding, England
    • Married: BEF 1332 in 2nd wife 5
    Children
    1. Has Children John de ST. QUINTIN , of Hornby, Sir b: ABT 1341 in Hornby Castle, Yorkshire North Riding, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: John Watson, 3 Jun 2011
    2. Title: The History and Antiquities of the Seigniory of Holderness,1840, George Poulson
      Page: 268
      Text: Galfred had a younger son Thomas who m. daughter of Sir Simon Northrop. I take her as his 1st wife.
    3. Title: Pedigrees of the county families of Yorkshire, by Joseph Foster, 1874, https://archive.org
      Page: Pedigree of St. Quintin, now of Scampston
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: John Watson, 3 Jun 2011
      Text: of age in 1332
    5. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: John Watson, 3 Jun 2011
      Text: of age (18) in 1332
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