The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I36206
  • Name: Ralph BOTELER , of Great Badminton
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1375 in Great Badminton, Gloucestershire, England
  • Note:
    According to "Griffith's New Historical Description of Cheltenham and its Vicinity", by Samuel Young Griffith, published 1826 (making it not so new as of today--but available on google books), Badminton was obtained by Ralph Boteler, a descendant of Radulphus Pincerna (the original Butler), and remained in the Boteler family for nearly 400 years until it was sold by Nicholas Boteler in 1608 to Thomas Somerset, Viscount of Cashel in Ireland. This would imply that Ralph took possession of Great Badminton sometime in the early half of the 1200's.

    I was following the line of Richard Hodgson (World Connect db=ancestorsearch), who was following a line shown in, which had Ralph being born c1395 and being the son of James Butler, 3rd Earl of Ormond in Ireland. To be a son of James, Ralph would have had to be born 1395 or later because the eldest son & heir was b. 1392. However a 1395 birth for Ralph squeezes the succeeding generations to the limit (average less than 20 years per generation), making the placement of Ralph unlikely. Moreover, the above entry from Griffith's indicates that the Boteler family held Badminton for a couple of hundred years before this, and that they descended from "Radulphus Pincerna", which the Irish Butler family, Earls of Ormond, were not descended from; therefore I am NOT connecting Ralph to the Butler family of Ireland.

    I am connecting Ralph to John, son of John of Great Badminton, as noted by Richard Hodgson mentioned above (who may have had some doubts about the line). Richard found the following in his research:

    [The text below would seem to suggest that the Butler/Botelers had been at Badminton before the Earls of Ormondes time?:]
    The "Journal of the Butler Society" Vol. 2 No.1 contains an article entitled "Butler Groups of Families, their roots and references", from which the following is extracted:
    GLO.1: Badminton, Glos.
    Sir John Boteler, alive 1410 (probably from WAR.1 and presumably a relative of Sir John Boteler of Badminton who d. before 1367).
    References: ALDRED, H.W., "Turville, Bucks." (1894), 60; GENEALOGIST, xxiii (1906-7), 91; HARLEIAN SOCIETY, xxi (1885), 241

    Father: John BOTELER , of Great Badminton, Sir b: ABT 1350 in Great Badminton, Gloucestershire, England

    Marriage 1 Margaret de BERWICK b: ABT 1380 in Beaconsfield, Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England
      1. Has Children John BOTELER , of Great Badminton b: ABT 1400 in Great Badminton, Gloucestershire, England
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