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  • ID: I34592
  • Name: Isabel FITZPAYN 1 2
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1364 in Cheddon Fitzpaine, Taunton, Somerset, England 3
  • Death: 11 APR 1394 in Poynings, Steyning, Sussex, England 2
  • Note:
    He [Richard de Poynings] married Isabel, daughter and (in 1392-93) hier of Robert (who took the name of FITZPAYN), younger son of Sir Richard (DE GREY), LORD GREY (of Codnor), by Joan, daughter of Sir Robert (FITZPAYN), LORD FITZPAYN, by Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Guy de Bryan, of Walwyn's Castle, Pembroke, Torbrian, Devon, and Laugharne, co. Carmarthen, and in her issue, coheir of her brother Sir Guy (de Bryan), Lord Bryan. He died 25 May 1387, at Villalpando, province of Zamora, Spain, of an epidemic rife among the English. Isabel died 11 April 1394. [Complete Peerage X:602-3, XIV:535, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    NOTE: CP XIV:535 tries to correct the above information concerning the wife of Robert FitzPayn, deleting all information about Elizabeth, daughter of Guy de Bryan, and replacing it with "Isobel, daughter of Sir John de Clifford". Paul Reed, in a long post to SGM, 20 Oct 1998, proves that the original wife (Elizabeth de Bryan) was correct. I WOULD GO FURTHER; some editor for CP XIV must have been up too late and half-asleep (as I find myself too often, when I make horrendous mistakes): Note that it was the maternal GRANDFATHER of this Robert, Robert FitzPayn, b. c1254, d. 22 Aug 1315, who was married to Isabel, daughter of John de Clifford. In addition the editor did not update the information on Robert FitzPayn (the grandson), leaving his wife as Elizabeth de Bryan in the article on him (CP V:464) which mentions no other wife for him. I don't feel that the correction volume (XIV), in many ways, meets the same standards that the original CP met.




    Father: Robert FITZPAYN , of Cheddon Fitzpaine b: ABT 1321 in Codnor, Basford, Derbyshire, England
    Mother: Elizabeth de BRIENE b: ABT 1338 in Laugharne, Carmarthenshire, Wales

    Marriage 1 Richard 3rd Baron de POYNINGS , Sir b: ABT 1355 in Poynings, Steyning, Sussex, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Robert 4th Baron de POYNINGS , Sir b: 3 DEC 1382 in Okeford Fitzpaine, Sturminster, Dorset, England
      2. Has Children Joan POYNINGS b: ABT 1384 in Poynings, Steyning, Sussex, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Paul Reed (Reedpcgen), 20 Oct 1998
      2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: X:662-3
      3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Paul Reed (Reedpcgen), 20 Oct 1998
        Text: 1363-5
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