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  • ID: I34591
  • Name: Richard 3rd Baron de POYNINGS , Sir 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1355 in Poynings, Steyning, Sussex, England 1
  • Birth: ABT 1355
  • Death: 25 MAY 1387 in Villalpando, Zamora, Leon, Spain 1
  • Burial: Poynings, Steyning, Sussex, England
  • Note:

    RICHARD (DE POYNINGS), LORD POYNINGS, brother and heir, born about 1355 (l), was knighted, 16 July 1377, by the King before the banquet in Westminster Hall at the Coronation of Richard II. He was going abroad in the company of John de Arundel in the autumn of 1377, and in March 1379/80 was one of the English notables who pledged themselves for the fulfilment of the treaty with Brittany. Commissioner of the peace and of array in Sussex, 1381, 1382, 1384 and 1385. He was summoned to Parliament from 7 January 1382/3 to 3 September 1385. In June 1385 he was summoned against the Scots, and he accompanied John of Gaunt to Spain in 1386.

    He married Isabel, daughter and (in 1392-93) hier of Robert (who took the name of FITZPAYN), younger son of Sir Richard (DE GREY), LORD GREY (of Codnor), by Joan, daughter of Sir Robert (FITZPAYN), LORD FITZPAYN, by Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Guy de Bryan, of Walwyn's Castle, Pembroke, Torbrian, Devon, and Laugharne, co. Carmarthen, and in her issue, coheir of her brother Sir Guy (de Bryan), Lord Bryan. He died 25 May 1387, at Villalpando, province of Zamora, Spain, of an epidemic rife among the English. Isabel died 11 April 1394. [Complete Peerage X:602-3, XIV:535, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    NOTE: CP XIV:535 tries to correct the above information concerning the wife of Robert FitzPayn, deleting all information about Elizabeth, daughter of Guy de Bryan, and replacing it with "Isobel, daughter of Sir John de Clifford". Paul Reed, in a long post to SGM, 20 Oct 1998, proves that the original wife (Elizabeth de Bryan) was correct. I WOULD GO FURTHER; some editor for CP XIV must have been up too late and half-asleep (as I find myself too often, when I make horrendous mistakes): Note that it was the maternal GRANDFATHER of this Robert, Robert FitzPayn, b. c1254, d. 22 Aug 1315, who was married to Isabel, daughter of John de Clifford. In addition the editor did not update the information on Robert FitzPayn (the grandson), leaving his wife as Elizabeth de Bryan in the article on him (CP V:464) which mentions no other wife for him. I don't feel that the correction volume (XIV), in many ways, meets the same standards that the original CP met.

    (l) He was still under age in Dec 1375; the IPM of his father and brother are discrepant as to his age. It was not till 19 Sep 1380 that he had an order for livery of his lands, having proved his age and done homage.

    (f) His will, dated 10 June 1387, directs burial at Poynings.

    Father: Michael 1st Baron de POYNINGS , Sir b: ABT 1323 in Poynings, Steyning, Sussex, England
    Mother: Joan b: ABT 1326

    Marriage 1 Isabel FITZPAYN b: ABT 1364 in Cheddon Fitzpaine, Taunton, Somerset, England
      1. Has Children Robert 4th Baron de POYNINGS , Sir b: 3 DEC 1382 in Okeford Fitzpaine, Sturminster, Dorset, England
      2. Has Children Joan POYNINGS b: ABT 1384 in Poynings, Steyning, Sussex, England

      1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: X:662-3
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