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  • ID: I34255
  • Name: Kynard de la BERE , of Kinnersley Castle, Sir 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1418 in Kinnerseley, Weobley, Herefordshire, England
  • Death: BEF 1453 3
  • Death: BEF 1465 4
  • Note:
    The following post by John Higgins, with comments concerning the prior post by Brad Verity, clears up the de la Bere line (Brad Verity subsequently agreed with John Higgins):

    "John Higgins" Jul 24, 10:40 pm

    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    From: jthigg... AT sbcglobal.net ("John Higgins")
    Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:40:08 +0000 (UTC)
    Local: Sun, Jul 24 2005 10:40 pm
    Subject: Re: Some Descendants of Alice Talbot, Dame Barre

    How refreshing to see some real genealogy in this group - something that's been lacking for most of the past month. Thanks for this most useful contribution.

    Some comments are inserted below.....

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Brad Verity"
    To:
    Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:48 AM
    Subject: Some Descendants of Alice Talbot, Dame Barre



    > 3) JOAN BARRE, born 1415/20, married Sir Kynard de la Bere (d. by
    > 1465), of Kinnersley Castle, Herefordshire, escheator of Herefordshire
    > and the West Marches 1438-9, son and heir of Sir Richard de la Bere, of
    > Kinnersley, MP Herefordshire, by his first wife Sybil Chabbonare.
    > Kynard and Joan were granted the manor of "Dorsington" (Dorston in
    > Herefordshire?), by Richard, duke of York. She died before 1474,
    > having had one son and three daughters. Her husband predeceased her.
    > Issue:

    Roskell's HOP has a bio of a Kynard de la Bere who is said to son of Sir Richard and possibly his wife Sibyl Chabbenor [sic], but the HOP Kynard d. 1402 leaving a son Richard. I wonder if the sequence of Delaberes here should be:

    Richard, m. Katherine Abrahall and Sibyl Chabennor [order unclear]
    Kynard (d. 1402), m. Katherine NN (widow of Sir John Pecche)
    Sir Richard, m. ??
    Sir Kynard, m. John Barre

    There is also a reference in CP 3:149 to another child John of Sir Richard and Sibyl Chabennor. This John is said to have a dau. married in 1363 - far too early for him to be a brother of the Kynard who married Joan Barre, but OK for a brother of the HOP Kynard.

    As a further complication, I've seen references that a Richard Delabere married Joan, dau. of Thomas, 1st Lord West. I wonder if this could be the Richard who was father of the later Sir Kynard above.




    Father: Richard de la BERE , of Kinnerseley Castle, Sir b: ABT 1382 in Chilstone, Hereford, Herefordshire, England
    Mother: Joan WEST b: ABT 1394 in Oakhanger, Selborne, Hampshire, England

    Marriage 1 Joan de la BARRE b: ABT 1418 in Clehonger, Hereford, Herefordshire, England
    • Married: in 1st husband 4

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Brad Verity, 24 Jul 2005 - see notes for Alice Talbot, b. 1390
      Text: Kynard son of Richard de la Bere by 1st wife Sybil Chabbonare, based on HOP (History of Parliament). BUT this was indicated to be wrong by John Higgins (those parents were far too old).
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: John Higgins, 24 Jul 2005
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Matthew (mvernonconnolly), 27 Jul 2005
      Text: date implied by remarriage of Joan
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Brad Verity, 24 Jul 2005 - see notes for Alice Talbot, b. 1390
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