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  • ID: I34155
  • Name: Joan de HAUDLO 1
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1317 in Hadlo, Tunbridge, Kent, England
  • Death: AFT 1340 1
  • Note:
    He [Amauri de St. Amand] married Eleanor [----] (c), and died 11 September 1381. [Complete Peerage XI:299-300, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    (c) Said in his Inq.P.M. [Wilts] to have been one of the daughters and heirs of the Earl of "Herford".

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    NOTE: The following, which corrects a CP error in the identity of Amauri's wife, is copied from the website: Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage (http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/saintamand.shtml):

    There is no evidence for a wife of Amauri named Eleanor. Amauri married, before 3 November 1329, Joan, one of the daughters of Maud, the daughter of Sir Philip Burnell, probably by her second husband, Sir John de Haudlo (d.1346). Joan was living in 1340.

    Both the name given in volume 11, Eleanor, and the description of her as a daughter and coheir of the earl of Hereford, appear to be based on a misreading of the inquisitions taken after Amauri's death. No wife of Amauri is mentioned in these inquisitions, but those for Gloucester and Wiltshire mention manors held by Amauri of the earl of Buckingham, as of the right of the earl's wife Eleanor (described as as daughter and one of the heirs of the earl of Hereford in the Wiltshire inquisition) [Cal. Inq. p. m., vol.15, nos 581-586]. (For Eleanor, daughter and coheir of Humphrey de Bohun, earl of Hereford etc., and wife of Thomas of Woodstock, earl of Buckingham, see Complete Peerage, vol.5, pp.719-728.)

    On 3 November 1329 an agreement was made between John de Haudlo, knight, lord of Boarstall, and John de St Amand, knight, lord of Woodhay, to settle lands of John de Haudlo on Richard, his son, and his wife Isabella, and lands of John de St Amand on Amauri, his son, and his wife Joan [H. E. Salter, ed., The Boarstall Cartulary (1930), no 602].

    In 1340 John de Haudlo conveyed several manors and advowsons on Geoffrey de Scardeburgh and Thomas Asselote - John was to hold these for his life, and after his death they were to pass to his son Nicholas and his heirs [Essex Feet of Fines, vol.3, p.56]. An endorsement records that Amauri de St Amand and Joan his wife, Walter the son of John de Norwich and Margaret his wife, and Elizabeth the daughter of John de Haudlo put in their claim. Most of these manors had in 1331 been settled by John de Haudlo and Maud his wife on themselves and their male heirs, with successive remainders to Joan, Elizabeth and Margaret, daughters of Maud, for their lives, and to John son of John Lovel (Maud's son by her previous marriage) and his male heirs [Essex Feet of Fines, vol.3, p.21; licence was given for this settlement 10 February 1330/1 (Calendar of Patent Rolls 1330-34, p.75)]. Clearly these three daughters are the same women who put in their claim in 1340.

    From the evidence above, it is clear that Amauri's wife Joan was one of the daughters of Maud Burnell. It is not quite so clear whether Joan was the daughter of Maud's first husband, John, Lord Lovel, or her second, Sir John de Haudlo. John Lovel had a daughter Joan, said to be aged 2, or 2 and more, in October 1314 [Complete Peerage, vol. 8, p. 217, note m]. John de Haudlo also had a daughter Joan, mentioned in a fine of 1326 [Essex Feet of Fines, vol.2, p.225]; she may not have been Maud's daughter, as he had previously been married to Joan, the daughter and heir of Sir John FitzNiel [Complete Peerage, vol. 6, p. 400].

    But the agreement of 1329 suggests that Joan is likely to have been the daughter of John de Haudlo, and the chronology gives some support to this likelihood - Amauri was born in or around early 1314 [Complete Peerage, vol. 11, p. 299], and a daughter of Maud's second marriage would be somewhat younger than this, rather than somewhat older.

    [Douglas Richardson pointed out the feet of fines establishing the identity of Joan's mother in January 2002. Rosie Bevan supplied the 1329 agreement in September 2003.]




    Father: John de HAUDLO & Crundale, Sir b: BEF 1285 in Hadlo, Tunbridge, Kent, England
    Mother: Maud BURNELL , Heiress of Acton Burnell b: ABT 1290 in Acton Burnell Castle, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

    Marriage 1 Amauri 3rd Baron de ST. AMAND , of Woodhay, Sir b: ABT 1314 in West Woodhay, Hungerford, Berkshire, England
    • Married: BEF 3 NOV 1329 1
    Children
    1. Has Children Amauri 4th Baron de ST. AMAND , of Woodhay, Sir b: ABT 1341 in West Woodhay, Hungerford, Berkshire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml
      Page: XI: St. Amand
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