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  • ID: I33727
  • Name: Otes the GOLDSMITH , of Gestingthorpe & Hawstead 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1050 in Gestingthorpe, Sudbury, Essex, England
  • Death: BEF 1101 in Hawstead, Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, England 1
  • Note:
    Douglas Richardson, in an e-mail, relayed the following from a post to SGM, 29 Aug 2005:

    From: Doug Richardson [mailto:royalancestry AT msn.com]
    Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:00 AM
    To: Jim Weber
    Cc: Gordon Banks; Hal Bradley
    Subject: Botetourt descent from Robert Fitz Harding

    Dear Newsgroup ~

    In 1990 F.N. Craig published an excellent article entitled "Descent from a Domesday Goldsmith," in which he traced the extended male line ancestry of Maud Fitz Thomas, wife of John Botetourt, Knt., 1st Lord Botetourt, back to one Otes the Goldsmith, a Domesday tenant at Gestingthorpe, Essex [Reference: The American Genealogist, 65 (1990): 24-32]. Checking various online genealogical databases, it appears that Mr. Craig's article has been all but ignored.

    For simplicity, the descent will be summarized below as follows:

    1. Otes the Goldsmith, Domesday tenant in 1086; he held the office of the royal mint as king's goldsmith. He held lands at Gestingthorpe, Essex, Lisson Green (in Marylebone), Middlesex, and Hawstead, Suffolk. He married (1st) Leofgifu; (2nd) Edeva.

    2. Otes Fitz Otes, of Benfleet, Childerditch, and Lisson Green, son and heir by his father's 1st wife, succeeded his father at the mint in 1101. In 1108 the king granted him his land of Benfleet with Childerditch in Essex.

    3. William Fitz Otes, of Benfleet, Childerditch, Lisson Green, son and heir. In 1116-27 the king confirmed to William Fitz Otes the goldsmith the "ministerium cuneorum" (the dies) which his father, Otes, used to render. He occurs 1121-1178. He married Gille.

    4. Otes Fitz William, of Essex, Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire, 1181-82, son and heir. He died about 1194. He married Margery, who survived him. She was holding one fee in Essex of the honor of Gloucester (Red Book, pg. 610). She was living in 1207.

    5. William Fitz Otes, son and heir, of Gestingthorpe and Belchamp, Essex, and Lisson Green, Middlesex. He married Maud de Dive, daughter of William de Dive, by Maud de Waterville. He was living about 1213, and died before 1217/18. His widow, Maud, married (2nd) Richard Fitz Hugh.

    6. Otes Fitz William, of Belchamp, Gestingthorpe, and Gosfeud, Essex, and Lisson Green, Middlesex, son and heir, of age in or before 1219. The name of his wife is not known. He died in 1257.

    7. Thomas Fitz Otes, Knt., of Belchamp, Gestingthorpe, and Gosfeud, Essex, 2nd son, born about 1231 (aged 30 in 1261). He married Beatrice Beauchamp, daughter of William de Beauchamp, by Ida, daughter of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury. In 1265 he was given the scrap iron from the broken dies, as his father and ancestors had had. He died in 1274. His widow, Beatrice, married William de Munchensy.

    8. Maud Fitz Thomas, born about 1271 (aged 11 in 1282). She married John Botetourt, Knt., 1st Lord Botetourt. In 1329 she sold the office of graver and worker of the dies in the Tower of London and city of Canterbury to her son-in-law, William le Latimer.




    Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown
      Children
      1. Has Children Otes FITZOTES , of Lisson Green & Benfleet b: ABT 1075 in Lisson Green, London, Middlesex, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Douglas Richardson, 19 Aug 2005
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