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  • ID: I32954
  • Name: Joan daughter of Thomas RUGGE , of Charlecombe 1 2 3
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1405 in Charlcombe, Bath, Somerset, England
  • Death: 10 AUG 1484 in Clearwell Manor, Newland, Gloucestershire, England 4 5
  • Note:
    Chris Phillips Jun 27, 3:56 pm

    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    From: "Chris Phillips"
    Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:56:53 +0100
    Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 3:56 pm
    Subject: Re: Greyndour ancestry for Alice Walwyn, per VCH-Glouc.

    Jim Weber wrote:
    > The key is whether Isabel, widow of John Joce, married the John
    > Greyndour identified by VCH. The VCH sources for the death of John
    > Joce & marriage of his widow to John Greyndour are:

    > "26 N.L.W., Dunraven MSS. 325.
    > 27 Ibid. 324; cf. Cal. Pat. 1441-6, 388."

    > Oh Well,

    The Patent Roll reference is actually available online, courtesy of Prof. G.
    R. Boynton and the University of Iowa Libraries:
    http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech­/patentrolls/

    Licence for Joan, late the wife Robert Greyndour, esquire, to found a perpetual chantry in the parish church of All Saints, Neweland, in the forest of Dene, co. Gloucester, in the diocese of Hereford, at the altar of St. John the Baptist and St Nicholas in the same church, of one chaplain to celebrate divine service for the good estate of the said Joan and Reynold West, knight, lord la Warre, and Elizabeth his wife, and for their souls after death and for the souls of the said Robert, John Greyndour, knight, his father and Marion his mother, and of Isabel late John's wife, Thomas Rugge, esquire, the father, and Katharine his wife, the mother of the said Joan, John Joce late husband of Isabel, Hawisia Bytton sometime the wife of John Bytton, knight, the elder, John Bytton, knight, grandfather of the said Joan, Alice Sturye, John Sergeaunt, Edmund Forde and Joan his wife, and for the souls of the kinsfolk, friends and benefactors of the said Joan [etc]

    Chris Phillips

    NOTE: The date of the above license for Joan was 6 Nov 1445.




    Marriage 1 Robert GREYNDOUR , of Clearwell & Abenhall b: ABT 1388 in Clearwell Manor, Newland, Gloucestershire, England
    • Married: in 1st husband 3
    Children
    1. Has No Children Elizabeth GREYNDOUR , Heiress of Abenhall b: ABT 1420 in Abenhall, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England

    Marriage 2 John de la BARRE , of Rotherwas & Clearwell,Sir b: ABT 1412 in Rotherwas in Dinedor, Wells, Somerset, England
    • Married: BEF 1455 in 2nd husband 2nd wife 3

    Sources:
    1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: IV:152-4
      Text: mother of Elizabeth
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Chris Phillips, 27 Jun 2005
    3. Title: Victoria County History of Gloucester, Volume V, 1996, online at www.british-history.ac.uk
      Page: Newland (see text under Thomas Baynham, d. 1611)
    4. Title: Victoria County History of Gloucester, Volume V, 1996, online at www.british-history.ac.uk
      Page: Newland (see text under Thomas Baynham, d. 1611)
      Text: 1484
    5. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Brad Verity, 24 Jul 2005 - see notes for Alice Talbot, b. 1390
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