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  • ID: I31431
  • Name: William DISHINGTON , Lord of Ardross, Sir 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1285 in Ardross, Fifeshire, Scotland
  • Note:
    The following is a post to SGM, 30 Aug 1996, by Wayne Mitchell:

    From: Wayne Mitchell (mitchell AT brzn.uni-goettingen.de)
    Subject: Robert the Bruce and the Dishingtons
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 1996/08/30

    In my endeavour to trace the DISHINGTON family of Scotland I have come across the following people:

    SIR WILLIAM DISHINGTON (knight) married to ELIZABETH. They lived during the reign of KING ROBERT I (ROBERT THE BRUCE).
    Their sons were:
    . JOHN DISHINGTON (lived during reign of KING ROBERT I)
    . SIR WILLIAM DISHINGTON (lived during reign of KING DAVID II)
    . His son was
    . . . . THOMAS DISHINGTON (mentioned in 1402)

    It appears that the DISHINGTON family was related to the kings of
    Scotland:

    1. The following books claim that ELIZABETH (the wife of
    WILLIAM DISHINGTON the elder) was a sister of KING ROBERT I the BRUCE:
    a.) "The Peerage of Scotland" by George Crawfurd (Edinburgh / 1716);
    b.) "The Peerage of Scotland" by ROBERT Douglas (Edinburgh / 1764);
    c.) "Angus or Forfarshire" by Alexander Warden (Dundee / 1881);
    d.) "The East Neuk of Fife" by Walter Wood (Edinburgh / 1887);
    e.) "Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae" by H. Scott (Edinburgh / Vol 7. 1915);
    f.) "ROBERT BRUCE KING of Scots" by Agnes MacKenzie (Edinburgh / 1956).
    (I must mention at this point that many other authors do
    not mention any connection between the DISHINGTONs and
    BRUCEs. As a matter of fact, they do not mention
    anything at all about ELIZABETH! They sometimes do use
    the above mentioned books as references, but neglect to
    contradict these authors in the case of ELIZABETH being
    a sister of ROBERT I, the BRUCE!)

    2. ROBERT I (the BRUCE), KING of Scotland,
    called JOHN DISHINGTON: "nepoti suo" meaning "his (the KING's) nephew".

    3. The same KING called WILLIAM DISHINGTON (the elder)
    "consanguineo nostro" (our blood relative or cousin).

    4. DAVID II (KING of Scotland) called SIR WILLIAM DISHINGTON
    (the younger): "consanguineo nostro". Dr. Athol Murray, of
    the Scottish Record Office, wrote me: ""DAVID II's charter
    to SIR WILLIAM DISHINGTON ... describes him as
    'consanguineo nostro', but this can mean 'kinsman' rather
    than an actual first cousin. ... If we interpret DAVID II's
    reference ... narrowly, this would imply that SIR WILLIAM's
    father or grandfather had married a sister of ROBERT I."

    5. ROBERT III (KING of Scotland) called THOMAS DISHINGTON:
    "dilecto nepoti nostro" (our dear nephew). According to Dr.
    Athol Murray: "Nepos can mean grandson as well as nephew,
    though I think in this case the latter is more likely.".
    According to the English "Dictionary of National Biography",
    KING ROBERT II of Scotland had a dozen or more illegitimate
    children - many of whose names are not known. I believe it
    possible that the mother of THOMAS DISHINGTON was in fact
    one of the illegitimate children of KING ROBERT III.

    I have undertaken the task of reading through all of the documents (available to me in printed books) of the above mentioned KINGs to try to determine when the used the term "nephew" and "kinsman". Other than WILLIAM WYSEMAN (whose relation to the royal familes is unknown to me) and the DISHINGTON family, I have determined that the term "kinsman" was only used in connection with an actual kinsman of the KING or a person married to a kinsman of the KING. Also the term "nephew" was only used when the person in question was truely a nephew of the KING.

    I have not been able to find ELIZABETH (the wife of WILLIAM DISHINGTON the elder) mentioned in any documents.

    I believe that the DISHINGTONs were in fact directly related to the royal family of BRUCE and Stewart in Scotland. But I do not have any proof.

    Can anyone help me in this matter?

    ------------------------------
    Wayne Mitchell




    Marriage 1 Elizabeth de BRUS b: ABT 1288 in Annandale, Dumfrieshire, Scotland
      Children
      1. Has Children William DISHINGTON , Lord of Ardross, Sir b: ABT 1320 in Ardross, Fifeshire, Scotland

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Wayne Mitchell, 30 Aug 1996
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