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  • ID: I31288
  • Name: Joyce CHERLETON 1 2
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1403 in Powis Castle, Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1
  • Death: 22 SEP 1446 in Burwell, Newmaket, Cambridgeshire, England 1
  • Note:
    He [John Tiptoft] married, 2ndly (contract before 8 July 1421), shortly after 28 Feb. 1421/22, Joyce, younger daughter and coheir of Edward (CHERLETON), LORD CHERLETON, feudal LORD OF POWIS (who died s.p.m. 14 March 1420/1), by his 1st wife, Eleanor, widow of Roger (DE MORTIMER), 4th EARL OF MARCH, daughter and in her issue coheir of Thomas (DE HOLAND), EARL OF KENT. He died 27 January 1442/3. His widow, who was said to be aged 18 in 1421 and 20 and more in 1425, died 22 September 1446 and was buried at Enfield. M.I. [Complete Peerage XII/1:746-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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    The following is a post to SGM, 9 Mar 2002, by John Higgins:

    From: John Higgins (jthiggins AT surfree.com)
    Subject: Stanley of Holt
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2002-03-09 12:32:22 PST

    I'm looking for information on the wife [or wives] of Sir William Stanley of Holt, brother of the 1st Earl of Derby, who was executed in 1495 for involvement in the rebellion of Perkin Warbeck.

    Pedigrees for Stanley in the Cheshire works of both Ormerod and Earwaker say that Sir William was married to Joyce Cherleton, widow of John, Lord Tiptoft, and daughter of Edward, 5th Lord Cherleton, feudal lord of Powys. However, the articles in CP (under Cherleton and Tiptoft) which cover Joyce's 1st marriage make no mention of a second marriage to Stanley. More recently, Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry (2nd ed.) also mentions only a single marriage of Joyce.

    The CP article on Joyce's son, John Tiptoft, Earl of Worcester, says that he married (in his 3rd and her 2nd marriage) Elizabeth Hopton, widow of Sir Roger Corbet of Morton Corbet, and that Elizabeth subsequently married (as his 2nd wife) Sir William Stanley of Holt.

    Who were the wives (or wife) of Sir William, and who was the mother of his children? Are both Ormerod and Earwaker wrong in missing the marriage to Elizabeth Hopton, or is this an omission in CP (which has no correction on this in vol. 14)? Does anyone have another source for the wife (or wives) of Sir William Stanley of Holt and the parentage of his children?

    Thanks in advance for any help.

    John Higgins
    jthiggins AT surfree.com

    Note: I don't believe that the Joyce cited above, who was born before 1405 (year of her mother's death), would have married William Stanley, who had to be born 1436 or after. The sources that Higgins is citing probably got confused with William Stanley marrying the widow of Joyce's son John Tiptoft, who was Elizabeth Hopton.




    Father: Edward 5th Baron CHERLETON , of Powys, KG, Sir b: ABT 1371 in Powis Castle, Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales
    Mother: Eleanor de HOLAND b: ABT 1374 in Upholland, Wigan, Lancashire, England

    Marriage 1 John 1st Baron TIPTOFT , of Eversden, KB, Sir b: ABT 1380 in Great Eversden, Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England
    • Married: AFT 28 FEB 1421/22 in 2nd wife 1
    Children
    1. Has Children Joan (Jane) TIPTOFT b: BEF 1425 in Burwell, Newmaket, Cambridgeshire, England
    2. Has No Children John TIPTOFT , 1st Earl of Worcester, Sir b: 8 MAY 1427 in Great Eversden, Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England

    Marriage 2 William STANLEY , of Holt, KG, Sir b: AFT 1436 in Holt Castle, Wrexam, Denbighshire, Wales
    • Married: AFT 1443 in 2nd husband 1st wife (probably not)

    Sources:
    1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XII/1:746-9
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: John Higgins, 9 Mar 2002
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