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  • ID: I30150
  • Name: John GRENVILLE , of Southwick & Burmington, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: John /Greinville/, of Southwick & Burmington, Sir
  • Name: John GREVILLE , of Southwick, Sir 4 5
  • Birth: BEF 1317 in Burmington, Shipston-on-Stour, Warwickshire, England 3
  • Death: AFT 1346 in Southwick, Westbury, Wiltshire, England 2
  • Death: BEF 1349 3
  • Note:
    Susan Johanson, World Connect db=johanson, originally had an ancestry for Alice de Greinville, wife of Humphrey de Stafford, which started with William de Greinville by Lucy, son of William de Greinville, son of Adam de Greinville, etc. Susan indicates her sources for this pedigree in her reply to my e-mail. I had pointed out to her that the line did not agree with two posting by Doug Gentile & Douglas Richardson on SGM, who said that Alice's father was John de Grenville/Greville. Anyway, as indicated in my e-mail to Susan, a copy of which is below, I have found a possible link, which I am now incorporating in my line (but far from proven), between the John de Greville/Grenville/Greinville indicated in the two postings to SGM and the original ancestry which Susan had for Alice:

    Susan,

    I got back from two weeks away from home (& the internet), taking my daughter off to college; and have been working this problem for awhile.

    I have worn my fingers raw trying to find an ancestry for John de Grenville, of Southwick, Somerset (Douglas Richardson) or John Greville, of Southwick, Wilts (Doug Gentile), father of Alice who m. Humphrey de Stafford. I believe that Southwick is in Wiltshire, but it is somewhat close to Frome, Somerset, so maybe they were across the border.

    The above two references are about all that I can find in GEN-MEDIEVAL (soc.genealogy.medieval), and they don't take the ancestry past John.

    In the LDS Ancestral Files, I did find a John de Greinville, b. 1322, Burmington, Warwickshire, who was son of William de Greinville by Lucy, who was son of William de Greinville, son of Adam de Greinville by Isabel, etc. This seemed to follow the original line that you had for Alice de Greinville. I seem to recall that your original source for that line was Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerages. Is that right?

    Anyway, the LDS files are pretty unreliable, but, if true, then maybe the John Greinville, b. 1322, was connected with Southwick, and, being father of Alice, connects to the original line of Greinville which you had. The birth date of 1322 coincidentally corresponds to the birth date that I had estimated for John Greville/Grenville of Southwick, father of Alice.

    Pretty slim, but it is the only lead that I have come up with so far.

    Jim Weber

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    The was Susan Johanson's reply to the above:

    Jim,
    My original source was the Penrose gedcom which is not online anymore. The sources for parts of that gedcom was Louis Sorley, "The Sorley Pedigrees", but I don't know if the Greville line was from Sorley. I tried looking the site up on the web archives. I was able to get to it but some of the individual pages are blocked and are not coming up. If you find anything else about this line let me know.

    We also did the college trips a couple of weeks ago. My younger son is a sophomore at JMU here in VA and my older son is in graduate school at Columbia in NYC.

    Keep in touch,
    Susan




    Father: William GRENVILLE , of Southwick & Burmington,Sir b: ABT 1290 in Burmington, Shipston-on-Stour, Warwickshire, England
    Mother: Lucy b: ABT 1295

    Marriage 1 Margaret b: ABT 1320
      Children
      1. Has Children Alice GRENVILLE , Heir of Southwick & Burmington b: ABT 1346 in Southwick, Westbury, Wiltshire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Douglas Richardson, 2 Apr 2002
      2. Title: VCH - Warwickshire:. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk
        Page: V:26-8, see notes for William Greinville, d. <1338
      3. Title: VCH - Wiltshire:. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk
        Page: VIII:218-34, see notes for Adam Grenville, d. >1242
      4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Doug Gentile, 20 Oct 1999
      5. Title: LDS Ancestral Files, http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
        Page: Submitted by Danny Lee Heagren, Salt Lake City, UT
        Text: William de Greinville, b. 1322, Burmington, Warwickshire, England
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