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  • ID: I29715
  • Name: Robert FITZWALCHELIN , of Anslow & Radbourne 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Robert /FitzWalkelin/, of Anslow & Radbourne
  • Birth: ABT 1185 in Anslow, Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England
  • Death: 1232 in Radbourne, Burton-upon-Trent, Derbyshire, England 3
  • Note:
    Fought in Ireland 1210 and Poitou 1214, adhered to King John against the rebel barons for which he was suitably rewarded.

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    Apparently Robert already held property in Egglington, but received additional rights in his marriage to Margaret, as indicated in the following post to SGM, 5 Mar 2003, by Rosie Bevan:

    From: Rosie Bevan (rbevan AT paradise.net.nz)
    Subject: Re: Robert de Lisle and Ermentrude de Ferrers/Talbot
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2003-03-05 18:51:30 PST

    Dear Chris and Gordon

    By coincidence this question touches on some research I'm currently doing on the Lathbury family of Eggington.

    The pedigree given in an article on the Manor of Eggington [F.N.Fisher, ‘Eggington Court Rolls 1306/7 - 1311/12', Journal of the Derbyshire Archaeological and Natural History Society, v. LXXXV, pp.36-61] shows the following

    1.Walchelin of Radbourne 1086, fl 1125
    2.William
    2.Robert f. Walchelin d.c. 1160
    . 3.Robert f. Robert f. Walchelin d.1232
    . + Margaret, da.of William de Grendon d.1203, and Ermentrude widow of Quintin Talbot
    . . 4.Ermentrude
    . . + William de Stafford fl 1286
    . . 4.Margaret
    . . + John de Chandos

    From a case in the 1233 curia regis roll, it appears that William Talbot, brother of Robert's wife Margery (Margaret), claimed custody of the lands of Robert f.Robert f.Walchelin against William, Earl Ferrers. A jury stated that Robert had held a quarter share of the vill rents of Eggington by military service, which came about by his marriage to the daughter and heir of William de Grendon. However, Robert had also held in socage, in his own right, a quarter share of the manor of Eggington from the heirs of William f.Ralph, Seneschal of Normandy. (Supporting evidence of earlier fitz Walchelin interest in Eggington, is that in 1141 Robert Ferrers II had granted Tutbury priory the whole tithe of the new borough of Nottingham in lieu of the silver mark which Robert f. Walchelin had given annually from rents in Eggington. [Avrom Saltman, The Cartulary of Tutbury Priory, (Historical Manuscripts Commission, 1962) no.71].) It appears that William Talbot's interest lay in the land held in socage but it is not stated how. Judgement went in his favour [CRR, v.XV no.133].

    From this it seems that Margery de Grendon and William Talbot shared the same mother. However there is some conflict over which Talbot Ermentrude was married to. Whether she was the same as married to Henry fitzGerold is difficult to say, but his widow, Ermentrude, was living in 1233 [CRR v.XV no.185]. I think it unlikely that this would be Ermentrude the grandaughter as she appears to have been a minor in 1232 on the death of her father. Her heirs were her five daughters by William Stafford.

    Although there seems to be no proof that Walchelin was related to the Ferrers family, there is very strong onomastic evidence for a Ferrers connection. There is also something of a hint of it in charters relating to Tutbury Priory, founded by Henry de Ferrers, whose caput of his honor was at Tutbury Castle. Walchelin was the third of five witnesses of a confirmation charter given around 1110 by Robert de Ferrers, of the foundation and endowment of the priory by his parents [The Cartulary of Tutbury Priory, no.103].

    I hope some of this helps sort the puzzle.

    Cheers

    Rosie




    Father: Robert FITZWALCHELIN , of Radbourne & Anslow b: ABT 1152 in Anslow, Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England

    Marriage 1 Margaret (Alina) de GRENDON , Heir of Egginton b: ABT 1200 in Ockbrook, Shardlow, Derbyshire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Margaret FITZWALCHELIN , Heiress of Radbourne b: ABT 1225 in Radbourne, Burton-upon-Trent, Derbyshire, England
      2. Has Children Ermentrude FITZWALKELIN , Heir of Anslow+Egginton b: ABT 1227 in Egginton, Burton-upon-Trent, Derbyshire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Kay Allen, 26 Feb 1999
        Text: also names him William FitzWalkelin, according to another source
      2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Rosie Bevan, 5 Mar 2003
        Text: states that Robert's elder brother was William
      3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Rosie Bevan, 5 Mar 2003
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