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  • ID: I29708
  • Name: John 3rd Baron Hache de HARDRESHULL , Sir 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 24 AUG 1291 in Hartshill, Atherstone, Warwickshire, England 1
  • Death: BEF 18 JUN 1368 in Ashton, Northamptonshire, England 1
  • Note:
    BARONY of HATCH or HACHE (aft. 1306) III

    Sir John de Hardreshull, Lord Hache, son and heir by 1st husband, was b. at Pachesham in Surrey, on St. Bartholomew's Day 1291, and was bap. at Leatherhead. On 20 Jan 1303/4 his marriage was granted to Nicholas de Malemayns, the King's yeoman, to the use of his daughter, and his lands in Kelsey and Hartshill were granted to John Wysham 25 Jun 1306. He made proof of his age in 1312. He fought for the King at Boroughbridge, having on 11 Mar 1321/2, with Nicholas de Grey, been empowered to receive into the King's will the adherents of the rebels of Leicester and Derby. On 31 Oct 1322 he had a commission to array all men of military age in co. Warwick. He was sum. to the Great Council of 9 May 1324 from Lincoln, but was non-redsident there, and on 15 Jun had letters of protection going on the King's service to Aquitaine. On 1 Dec 1326 he was made keeper of the castle of St. Briavell's and forest of Dene. He nominated attorneys, 17 Jan 1330/1, when going beyond the seas on the King's service, and had military summonses from 21 Mar 1332/3 to 27 Mar 1335. He was sum. to Councils, 25 Feb 1341/2 and 20 Mar 1349/50, and, though not sum. by writ was present in Parl. in some capacity in 1340. In 1342 he was the King's lieut. in Brittany, where he remained for some years, and was in the division of Prince Edward at the Battle of Crecy. He took part with Sir Thomas Dagworth in the capture of Charles of Blois, and was himself a prisoner in 1347. He had returned by 16 Jun 1348, when he surrendered to the Fleet prison and was pardoned for his outlawry in Gloucester, for non-appearance (on the pleas of Queen Isabel) to render account for the time he was her bailiff and receiver in the town of St. Briavell's.

    He is said to have m. 1stly, Maud. He m., 2ndly, Margaret, dau. and coheir of Sir James Stafford, of Sandon, co. Stafford (c). He was living 1 May 1367 (d), but was dead s.p.m.s. before 18 Jun 1369. His widow was living in 1374.

    (c) In July 1350 Robert Griffyn sued John de Hardreshull and Margaret his wife for the abduction of Thomas, son and heir of Thomas de Erdswick. In 1356/7 Sir John Hardreshull and Margaret his wife dealt with 2 parts of the manor of Sandon.

    NOTE: I have Thomas Erdswick as Margaret's 1st husband.

    (d) When he and Dame Margaret his wife had Saleby manor settled on themselves for life and the reversion of the manor of Kelsey, rem. to said Sir John and heirs of his body, rem. to John Talbot and heirs male of his body, rem. to Richard Talbot brother of said John and heirs male of his body, rem. to the said Sir John de Hardeshull and his heirs.

    NOTE: I include CP's entries for the next 2 generations for further understanding, as the 2 generations end with descendants.

    [William de Hardreshull, son and heir, by 1st wife. He m. bef. Mich. 1333, Katherine, dau. and coheir of Sir Nicholas Malemayne, and d. v.p. bef. 1 Jun 1349 (h).]

    (h) Nicholas Malemayns, d. in May 1349, leaving 4 coheirs, the first of whom mentioned in the Inq.P.M. is Margaret, dau. of William de Hardreshull.

    [Margaret de Hardreshull, dau. and heir of William de Hardreshull and Katherine his wife, who, if she outived her grandfather, was, according to modern doctrine, suo jure BARONESS HACHE. She was aged 4 at Mich. 1349. On 1 Jun 1349 her her lands and marriage had been granted to Nicholas de Loveyn, the King's yeoman. She seems to have d. s.p. in her grandfather's lifetime, before 1 May 1367, when the manor of Saleby, previously settled on her for life (with rem. to the heirs of the bodies of his son William and Katherine hiw wife), was resettled on her grandfather and his wife for life, rem. to the Talbot grandchildren. The manor of Saleby was dealt with in 1427 by Thomas Culpepper, lord of Hartshill.]

    The coheirs therefore appear to have been the three daughters of Sir John de Hardreshull: (1) Margaret, wife of Sir John Talbot, by whom she had issue, Richard and John, upon whom was settled the manor of Saleby, but as this manor was later in the possession of the Culpeppers, it appears that they both may have d. s.p. (2) Elizabeth, wife of John Culpepper, whose son Thomas was lord of Hartshill and dealt with Saleby. (3) Joan, wife of Sir James Burford, by whom she had a dau. Joan, wife of Thomas Garton, and their son John appears to have d. s.p. Among the representatives of these three sisters (or possibly only in the representation of Elizabeth Culpepper) any hereditary barony which may be suppsed to have been created by the writ of 1299 seems to be in abeyance. [Complete Peerage VI:390-3]

    NOTE: Jane (jwflank) World Connect db=dadslegacy, presents the following evidence (and argument) that Nicholas Malemayns' daughter was not Kathleen, wife of William, but Maud, 1st wife of John (see above entries in CP). Basically she is stating that Margaret, dau. of William & Kathleen was an heir of Nicholas Malmayns because William was a son by John's 1st wife Maud (who was Nicholas's daughter):

    Complete Peerage VI:392 makes William de Hardeshull, son of this generation, the son-in-law of Nicholas Malemayn through a daughter named Katherine. This does not seem to be in keeping with the records on file. According to Pat. Roll. 32 Edw. I. m. 26, Nicholas Malemayns was granted permission to marry his unnamed daughter to John de Hardeshull:

    20 Jan 1304 (Dunfermline)

    Grant to Nicholas Malemeyns, king's yeoman, to the use of his daughter, of the marriage of John son and heir of William de Hardredeshull, tenant in chief, and in case of the death of John, of the marriage of the next heir. By K. on the information of W. bishop of Coventry and Lichfield. (32 Edw. I. m. 26) [Patent Rolls Edw. I. 1301-1307 pg 208]

    In addition, the IPM for Nicholas Malemayns is written in such a manor as to indicate that William Hardreshull's relationship was not that of a son-in-law. The IPM mentions Nicholas' son-in-laws, Thomas de St Omer and Otto de Grandison specifically by name along with their wives Pernell Malemayns and Beatrice Malemayns, repectively. This notation is made even though Pernell Malemayns is deceased at the time of the IPM. William de Hardreshull is not mentioned with a Katherine, a deceased daughter of Nicholas, as wife, only that Margaret, daughter of William de Hardreshull, a minor in the king's wardship is also heir to Nicholas Malemayns. This would seem to support that William de Hardreshull is son of the marriage of John de Hardreshull and the daughter of Nicholas mentioned in the Pat. Roll of 32 Edw. I., and grandson of Nicholas, who has predeceased his grandfather, leaving a 4 year old daughter, Margaret, who is great-granddaughter ot Nicholas.

    It would also seem that from the extent given in that IPM that John de Hardeshull's further issue were all of his second marriage to Margaret Stafford, since none of those daughters were given portions of Nicholas Malemayns' estates, and numerous other of Nicholas' granddaughters were.




    Father: William de HARDRESHULL , of Hartshill & Saleby b: 1269 in Scotton, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England (dsp)
    Mother: Juliana 2nd Baroness de HACHE , of West Hatch b: ABT 1272 in Chesterton, Southam, Warwickshire, England

    Marriage 1 Maud (Matilda) MALEMAYNS b: ABT 1305 in South Warnborough, Aldershot, Hampshire, England
    • Married: in 1st wife
    Children
    1. Has Children Margaret de HARDRESHULL b: ABT 1325 in Hartshill, Atherstone, Warwickshire, England

    Marriage 2 Margaret STAFFORD b: ABT 1315 in Sandon, Stone, Staffordshire, England
    • Married: ABT 1330 in 2nd husband 2nd wife 2
    Children
    1. Has Children Elizabeth de HARDRESHULL b: ABT 1333 in Hartshill, Atherstone, Warwickshire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VI:390-2
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VI:390-2
      Text: no date, 2nd wife
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