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  • ID: I29570
  • Name: John de COURCY , "Earl of Ulster" 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: BEF 1153 in of Downpatrick, Down, Ulster/Northern Ireland 4
  • Death: BEF 22 SEP 1219 in Ireland 1 5
  • Note:
    Turton has John as son of William III de Courci (Courcy or Curcy) (CP, below, states one of its sources says he could have been an illegitimate son). However CP prefers to say he was son of Jordan, younger son of William II de Curcy. Also Turton states that John's son "___ de Courci" (presumably of the Isle of Man) was father of "Afric de Courci, Heiress of the Isle of Man", who married Simon de Montacute/Montagu. CP states that "Aufrica of Connoght" quit-claimed the Isle of Man to Simon de Montagu, without explaining any reason or relationship. I am proposing that Aufric of the Isle of Man was mother of Simon de Montagu, having married his father, another Simon de Montagu. CP, in naming her "Aufrica de Connoght", seems to be implying some relationship of Aufrica with Cannaught which John de Courcy was involved with (see CP below). Therefore perhaps Turton is close to being right in its line. Given the likely birth dates, perhaps Fergus of the Isle of Man was the son of a son of John de Courcy (CP would say any son was an illegitimate son). I am following Turton in the descendancy of John, but CP in the ancestry of John.

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    EARLDOM OF ULSTER (not given title, but listed in Ulster)

    John de Curcy, a cadet of the de Curcy lords of Stogursey, Somerset (h), possibly accompanied Henry II to Ireland in 1171, when the King is said to have granted him Ulster if he could conquer it. John returned to Ireland in 1176 with William FitzAudelin, a Steward of Henry II, and in 1177 he advanced north from Dublin and captured Downpatrick, where a castle was built. He seems to have gained control of the land east of the rivers Bann and the Newry, leaving the native Irish undisturbed. From 1185 to circa 1190 he was Justiciar in Ireland, and in 1188 he led an expedition to Connaught. With Hugh de Lacy in 1195 he advanced to Athlone, where they made peace with the King of Connaught. The feuds between the Irish chieftains in Tirowen and the chance of gaining influence by participating in their struggles led him to attack this part of Ireland in the years 1197-1200. The dispute which developed between the Crown and John de Curcy at the beginning of the 13th century was taken advantage of by Hugh de Lacy. In 1201 John, who had attacked Connaught with Hugh, was treacherously seized by the Lacys and imprisoned. He obtained his release, but in 1203 Hugh attacked Ulster, defeating and banishing John. In 1204 he was captured once more by the Lacys but escaped again and fled to Tirowen. The fight for Ulster continued. John appealed to the Pope, obtained support from the King of Man, invaded Ireland and besieged Dundrum Castle in 1205. His attack failed and he disappears until 1207, when he was granted permission to come to England. He regained the favour of King John, whom he aided in Ireland in 1210, and he was still active in 1216. He was a great benefactor of the Church (b).

    He m., in 1180, Affrica, daughter of Godred, King of Man He dsp. legit (d), shortly before 22 Sep 1219, when dower was granted to Affrica. She was buried in the Grey Abbey of the Cistercians on Strangford Lough, founded by her in 1193. [Complete Peerage XII/2:166-8]

    (h) His parentage is uncertain. Sir Charles Clay suggests that he was the son of a younger son of William II de Curcy (d. 1125-30), or an illegitimate son of William III de Curcy (d. 1171). "However that may be, it may reasonably be assumed that he was a direct descendant of Avice, daughter of William Meschin and Cecily de Rumilly," which Avice m., 1stly, William II de Curcy. The latter had a younger son Jordan, living circa 1265. According to Roger de Hoveden, John had a brother Jordan, who was killed in Ireland in 1197. It seems likely, therefore, that John and Jordan last-named were sons of Jordan abovenamed, both being grandsons of William II de Curcy and his wife Avice.

    (b) He founded Black Abbey at Ards, co. Down, and made it over to the monks at St. Andrew's Stogursey. He introduced monks from St. Werburgh, Chester, to the priory at Downpatrick, made gifts to the see of Down and was benefactor to many other houses.

    (d) He had a bastard son, John de Curcy of Rathenny and Kilbarrock, co. Dublin, who was murdered by one of the de Lacy family in 1208. Patrick may have been another bastard.




    Father: Jordan de COURCY b: ABT 1130 in Stogursey, Williton, Somerset, England

    Marriage 1 Affrica (Aufrick) Princess of the Isle of MAN b: ABT 1172 in Isle of Man, British Crown dependancy
    • Married: 1180 1
    Children
    1. Has Children Fergus de COURCY , King of the Isle of Man b: ABT 1195 in Isle of Man, British Crown dependancy

    Sources:
    1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XII/2:166-8
    2. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 85
    3. Title: Kings of the Isle of Man, GEN-MEDIEVAL/soc.genealogy.medieval, by Stewart Baldwin, www.rootsweb.com/~medieval/man.htm
      Page: The Kings of Man of the dynasty of Godred Crovan
    4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XII/2:166-8
      Text: went to Ireland in 1171 (at least 18?)
    5. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 85
      Text: 1219
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