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  • ID: I29434
  • Name: Robert de WORTH 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1126 in Worth, Washfield, Devon, England
  • Death: AFT 1166
  • Note:
    The following is a post to SGM, 3 May 2001, by Paul Davis, which puts some doubt as to the validity of part of this line:

    From: Paul Davis (paulkdavis AT earthlink.net)
    Subject: Worth of Devon deed from earl
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2001-05-03 10:02:06 PST

    People,

    In "The Visitations of the County of Devon", compiled with additions by Lieutenant-Colonel J. L. Vivian, it says "Robert Worth of Worth, Esq., named with his mother Avis in a deed of William de Vernon, 6 Earl of Devon 1166".

    In "The History of the Suburbs of Exeter", by Charles Worthy, Esq., 1892, it says "William de Vernon executed a deed, as earl, in favour of his cousin Robert, son of his aunt "Avis Worthe". (Note that this author disagrees with the standard genealogy of William de Vernon, considering him to have been son, rather than uncle, of Richard de Redvers.)

    Does anyone know if these two sources are referring to the same deed?

    Does anyone have access to, or know how I could obtain access to, this deed or deeds?

    There is the following problem - If the genealogy given by both sources for Robert Worth is correct, he could not have been born before the 1170s, and standard sources indicate that William de Vernon did not become earl of Devon until 1193, though he is believed to have been alive and an adult in 1166 by most sources (except, presumably, Worthy).

    Thanks if you can help. There is a very probable line of descent here for the first "Worth" immigrants to New England from Henry I of England.

    - Paul K. Davis - paulkdavis AT earthlink.net

    Note: There was a William Vernon, Lord of Shipbrook, not Earl of Devon, who might fit the description given above.




    Father: Hugh de WORTH , Sir b: ABT 1098 in Worth, Washfield, Devon, England
    Mother: Avis de REDVERS b: ABT 1100 in Mosterton, Beaminster, Dorset, England

    Marriage 1 Miss BEAUCHAMP b: ABT 1128 in Elmley Castle, Worcestershire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Richard de WORTH b: ABT 1154 in Worth, Washfield, Devon, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Paul Davis, 3 May 2001
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