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  • ID: I29019
  • Name: Agnes FITZJOHN 1 2 3
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1103 in Knaresborough Castle, Yorkshire, England
  • Death: AFT 1185 2
  • Note:
    As pointed out by Rosie Bevan, CP states that Agnes, daughter of John, and sister of Payn and Eustace FitzJohn, m. Roger de Valognes and was a widow in 1185. CP suggests she was aged 50 or 60 and more in 1185 (Rosie would have her much older, which I think is correct).

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    About the identity of Cecily, abstracts of charters in the PRO point to further Valognes links

    PRO E 40/3699
    Grant by Agnes de Waloniis, to Gunnora de Essex', her niece and foster child, of all the land and fee which she holds of the bishopric of Ely and of Roger de Thorn, viz. Westley, Fulburn and Feversam, which William Delmaneir holds, and the land called 'the land of the small hall;' to be held by the service of two knights, which the said William will perform, and a sparrowhawk yearly. (Twelfth Century)

    PRO E 40/3958
    Grant by Peter, the prior, and the convent of Binham, to Gunnora de Estsexia, for her life, or until she takes the veil, of land in Westleia granted to them, in frank almoin, by Lady Agnes de Valoniis, and Robert de Valoniis, her son. Witnesses:- John, the chaplain of the countess, Robert de Ver, Geoffrey de berleia, and others (named): [Camb. Twelfth century].

    The grant by the prior of the convent of Binham, Norfolk, which Peter de Valognes founded about 1107, points to the identification of Lady Agnes de Valognes as Agnes, sister of Payn and Eustace fitz John and widow of Roger de Valognes d. 1141 of Benington, Herts., and mother of his sons and heirs, Peter d.s.p.1158, and Robert d.1184. Because the gift is made with the assent of Robert, the charter would appear to date after the death of her eldest son in 1158 and probably after 1163 when the Essex family lost its vast fortune. Agnes was trying to provide for a younger daughter of the family. I would also suspect that the interpretation of the word 'niece' is derived from the Latin neptis, which was also used to mean granddaughter.




    Father: John "One Eye" MONOCULUS , of Saxlingham b: BEF 1056 in Vains, Manche, Normandy, France
    Mother: Cecily b: ABT 1075

    Marriage 1 Roger de VALOGNES , of Benington, Sir b: ABT 1098 in Benington, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Robert de VALOGNES , of Benington b: ABT 1120 in Benington, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England
      2. Has Children Philip de VALOGNES , Lord of Panmure b: ABT 1123 in Benington, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England
      3. Has Children Cicely (Cecily) de VALOGNES b: ABT 1125 in North Weald Basset, Epping, Essex, England
      4. Has No Children Geoffrey de VALOGNES b: ABT 1140 in Benington, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Rosie Bevan, 18 Apr 2003
      2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: XII/2:270 (d)
      3. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
        Page: 106
        Text: Agnes (no last name or ancestry), mother of Philip of Panmure
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