The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

Entries: 46457    Updated: 2015-06-11 05:23:07 UTC (Thu)    Owner: Jim Weber

Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM

  • ID: I26761
  • Name: Matilda (Mabel) CHAMPERNOUN , Lady of Otterham 1
  • Sex: F
  • ALIA: Matilda (Mabel) of /Otterham/
  • Birth: ABT 1230 in Otterham, Camelford, Cornwall, England
  • Death: BEF 1269
  • Note:
    Ivor West speculates that Matilda is the daughter of Oliver Champernoun, as William Champernoun held Otterham in 1346, indicating it was in the family.

    --------------

    The following additional information is provided by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

    Actually Ivor West was musing on John Benson's article in DCNQ (Devon & Cornwall notes & queries) vol. 21 & he used Trans. Dev. Assoc., vol 73, "The Heritage of Prouz" re: the devolution of Otterham to the Champernouns. Ivor also cited Devon Fine 605 of 1256 which showed the wife of William de Ferrers was Mabel (NN), which Ivor states "presumably" is Matilda/Mabel of Otterham.

    Note: Mabel is NOT equivalent to Matilda/Mathilda/Maud (scribal errors notwithstanding)... Curt

    Later in the same 6 Aug 1999 message to soc.genealogy.medieval message he states: "Benson started his article on Otterham by quoting Hingeston-Randolph's comment "Matilda, Lady of Otterham, i.e., Matilda Champernowne". Does he mean by this that she was a daughter, say, of Oliver de Champernowne? It would make William de Champernowne and Joan de Ferrers cousins."

    She could also reasonably be 'presumed' to be a non-Champernoun related sole heiress of Otterham who became the wife of a Champernoun. Without a marriage record or other more definitive attestation in primary records all is speculaton only... Curt

    Regards,
    Curt

    Also, as Joan de Ferrers, her daughter, married William Champernoun, Curt adds:

    Jim, not to belabor this, but how likely is it that her dau Joan would/could marry her first cousin? That was a seriously fobidden degree of consanguity that would not have gone unnoticed & unless a dispensation record is found for Joan & Wm's marriage (or some other primary record), the ancestry of Joan's purported mother Mabel is still (for now) unknown.

    Regards,
    Curt




    Father: Oliver de CHAMPERNOUN , of Ilfracombe b: ABT 1197 in Ilfracombe, Barnstaple, Devon, England
    Mother: Wymarca b: ABT 1200 in Gillescot, Devon, England

    Marriage 1 William de FERRERS , of Bere Ferrers b: 1225 in Bere Ferrers, Tavistock, Devon, England
    • Married: in 1st wife 1
    Children
    1. Has Children Reginald de FERRERS , of Bere Ferrers b: ABT 1254 in Bere Ferrers, Tavistock, Devon, England
    2. Has Children Joan de FERRERS b: ABT 1256 in Bere Ferrers, Tavistock, Devon, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Ivor West, 6 Aug 1999
  • We want to hear from you! Take our WorldConnect survey

    Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM

    Printer Friendly Version Printer Friendly Version Search Ancestry Search Ancestry Search WorldConnect Search WorldConnect Join Ancestry.com Today! Join Ancestry.com Today!

    WorldConnect Home | WorldConnect Global Search | WorldConnect Help
    We want to hear from you! Take our WorldConnect survey

    RootsWeb.com is NOT responsible for the content of the GEDCOMs uploaded through the WorldConnect Program. The creator of each GEDCOM is solely responsible for its content.