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  • ID: I26499
  • Name: Joan de BRULEY , Heiress of Coughton 1
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1252 in Coughton, Alcester, Warwickshire, England
  • Death: AFT 1275 2
  • Note:
    NOTE: Many sources and trees indicate that Joan was daughter of Ranulf de Cocton, but from the BH (Coughton) article it is apparent that Coughton had been held by a Simon (not Ranulf) de Cocton for 2 generations and that Joan the co-heiress of the last Simon de Cocton was m. to Hugh de Bruley/Burleye and (2nd) to Hugh de Norfolk. Between 1257 and 1274 Joan gave her rights in Coughton to William de la Spine (who was m. by 1274 to a Joan). I believe that William's wife Joan was the daughter of Joan de Cocton & Hugh de Bruley. The marriage contract (or maybe the marriage itself) was arranged by 1257, when the daughter was still young, and more lands in Coughton were given in 1274 after Hugh (the father) had died and after Joan and William de la Spine had had a son named William. See notes for mother Joan de Cocton.

    I believe that the way I have it is more sensible than that developed by Wickliffe Throckmorton in "A genealogical and historical account of the Throckmorton family in England and the United States". I read his reasoning that since William de la Spine was married to a Joan and inherited Coughton from her, and since Joan the daughter of Simon was married to Hugh de Bruley & Hugh de Norfolk, with no room for a marriage to William Spine, Wickliffe assumed that Simon's grandfather Ranulf had a daughter Joan who married William (she would have been way too old for William!). Joan, the dau. of Simon was married in 1257; Joan, the wife of William de la Spine was married in 1274 (and possibly not in 1257), and I don't believe that the 2nd Joan was a great-great aunt of the 1st. I believe that going forward 1 generation (ie. Joan, a dau. of Hugh Burley & Joan de Cocton, m. William de la Spine), in this case, is better than going back 2, as the dates and inheritances seem to work well.




    Father: Hugh de BRULEY , of Coughton b: ABT 1232 in Bruly Manor, Coughton, Alcester, Warwickshire, England
    Mother: Joan Heiress de COCTON b: ABT 1233 in Coughton, Alcester, Warwickshire, England

    Marriage 1 William II de la SPINE , of Coughton b: BEF 1236 in Sampford Spiney, Tavistock, Devon, England
    • Married: BET 1257 AND 1274 2
    Children
    1. Has Children William III de la SPINE , of Coughton, Sir b: BEF OCT 1272 in Coughton, Alcester, Warwickshire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: VCH - Warwickshire:. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk
      Page: III:74-86, see notes for Joan Cocton, d. >1274
      Text: Joan (no last name), husband of William in 1274.
    2. Title: VCH - Warwickshire:. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk
      Page: III:74-86, see notes for Joan Cocton, d. >1274
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