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  • ID: I26262
  • Name: John "Cam\Crouchback" FITZGERALD 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1395 in Castletown, Kildrought, Kildare, Ireland
  • Death: 10 JUL 1435 in Kildare, Ireland (dvp) 2
  • Note:
    [JOHN, son and heir, called Cam or Crooked. Nothing is known of him except that he was father of Thomas the 7th Earl. He was not recognised as Earl, though he probably survived his father for many years for his son Thomas was not called Earl until circa 1456.] [Complete Peerage VII:228, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    Note: CP was corrected by vol XIV:441 to indicate that John Cam's father, John the 6th Earl, probably survived until Thomas the 7th Earl's succession in 1456, therefore John Cam may well have preceded him in death.

    Note: CP states that Margaret de la Herne was wife of John the 6th Earl of Kildare, however I am following BP, which states she was the 1st wife of John "Cam" FitzGerald (see below).

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    BP has only one John between Maurice & Thomas, while CP has two (John the 6th Earl & John "Cam/Crouchback" who was not given a title). Both sources concede this is a very difficult period to pin down exactly what was happening.

    John Fitz Maurice "Cam" ("Crouchback") FitzGerald, of Castletown-Kildrought, Co Kildare, de jure 6th Earl of Kildare, as which according to modern doctrine almost certainly succeeded his elder brother [Gerald, 5th Earl] since he was undoubtedly living Aug 1425, though never referred to in contemporary records, the 4th Earl of Ormond having seized his lands on the pretext that he had a right to them through his wife [Gerald, 5th Earl's daughters Joan & Elizabeth both married the 4th Earl of Ormonde]; allegedly married 1st Margaret Delaherne; probably married (2nd?) Rose Basset, on whom his trustees settled lands (after his death?) 10 July 1435, and had [Thomas], presumably by her. [Burke's Peerage]




    Father: John FITZGERALD , 6th Earl of Kildare, Sir b: ABT 1365 in Castletown, Kildrought, Kildare, Ireland
    Mother: Miss BOURCHIER b: ABT 1370 in Stansted Hall, Halstead, Essex, England

    Marriage 1 Margaret de la HERNE b: ABT 1395 in Ireland
    • Married: in 1st wife 2

    Marriage 2 Rose BASSET b: ABT 1395 in Ireland
    • Married: BEF 1420 in 2nd wife 3
    Children
    1. Has Children Thomas FITZGERALD , 7th Earl of Kildare b: ABT 1421 in Castletown, Kildrought, Kildare, Ireland

    Sources:
    1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VII:228
    2. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 1679
    3. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 1679
      Text: no date, 2nd wife
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