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  • ID: I25855
  • Name: Maud (Matilda) de BRITTANY 1
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1043 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
  • Note:
    The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 3 Oct 2002, by Rosie Bevan, which identifies Matilda as a descendant of the Dukes of Brittany, based on her holdings. In a previous post to this thread Rosie had suggested her as daughter of Ribald & Beatrice de Taillebois, but I believe that chronology would make her more likely his sister. Rosie suggests that possibly Walter was a 2nd husband for Matilda, and that she had a son & heir by her 1st husband, because none of her properties descended in the Deincourt family. Some genealogists (Fowlds for one) have suggested that Matilda was a daughter of William I the Conqueror.

    From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan AT paradise.net.nz)
    Subject: Re: Walter Deincourt of Blankney, co. Lincoln: a Royal Kinsman
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2002-10-03 02:12:42 PST

    Dear John

    Just a few comments. . . .

    Looking at the Henry II's confirmation charter of 1156/57, Farrer's identification of the placenames looks sound. I should have included it in my previous post to clarify the information so here is the relevant passage which is found amongst a long list of grants to St Mary's York.

    "Matildis uxor ejus i carucatam terre que fuit Brictive in Corebi et silvam que pertinet ad eandem terram. Decimam de dominio de Abingtuna et de Lins et de Tudenham et decimam Ribaldi de Pychenham et altera Lins et decimam Hervi de Thorp, decimam Normanni de Flittaburn, decimam Gerardi in Appelbi et Gainestorp et terram que vocatur Northwda juxta Britonam in Lincoln scira" [EYC v.1 p.275]

    Translation:
    "Matilda his [Walter's] wife one carucate of land which was of Brictive in Coreby [Lincs. - D'Aincourt held of the Bishop of Lincoln] and the wood pertaining to that land. Tithes of the demesne of Abington, [Cambs. Count Alan held land here] and of Lyng and of Tuddenham [Suffolk- Count Alan] and the tithes of Ribald of Pickenham [South Pickenham, Norfolk - Count Alan], Lyng [Norfolk - Count Alan] and the tithes of Hervey of Honingham Thorp [Norfolk- Count Alan], the tithes of Norman of Flixborough [Lincs. - Norman d'Arcy], the tithes of Gerard in Appleby [Lincs.- and Gainesthorpe [Lincs. - Ivo de Taillebois] and land called Northwood next to Burton in Lincolnshire."

    The latter identification of Northwood and Burton Coggles is Fowlds' as Farrer was unable to identify it. However it seems to me that it could also refer to Burton near Lincoln which was held by the Bishop of Lincoln. Norton Disney is some 21 miles away from Burton Coggles and 10 miles from Burton near Lincoln, so is improbable.

    There can be no doubt that the main holdings are of Count Alan - and Ribald is actually mentioned in reference to Pickenham. It seems to me that the case for Matilda's relationship with the house of Brittany is very strong. Also interesting is the D'Ayncourt holding (and possibly two) of the bishop of Lincoln. A gift by Remigius perhaps?

    Cheers

    Rosie

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    This is excerpted from Rosie's previous post in the same thread:

    If the D'Aincourt connection was via the house of Brittany as perhaps suggested by Matilda's holdings (which incidentally did not pass to the Deincourts) the blood relationship to the royal house may be explained by descent from Geoffrey, Duke of Brittany and Hawise da. of Richard I of Normandy. As I understand it Ivo Taillebois' (d.c 1093) daughter Beatrice (d. 1112) was the wife of Ribald d.1121, illegitimate brother of Count Alan. [K-R, DP p.283]. Ribaud was a tenant of the Count Alan in Middleham, Yorkshire and Lincolnshire in 1086.[K-R DP, 314].

    Could Matilda have been a daughter of Ribaud and Beatrice?

    Cheers

    Rosie




    Father: Eudes Count of Penthievre & BRITTANY b: ABT 999 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
    Mother: Orguen b: ABT 1000

    Marriage 1 Walter I DEINCOURT , of Blankney & Granby b: ABT 1042 in Ancourt, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
    • Married: in 2nd husband ? 1
    Children
    1. Has Children Ralph DEINCOURT , of Blankney & Granby, Sir b: ABT 1072 in Blankney, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
    2. Has Children Roger DEINCOURT , of Morton b: ABT 1075 in Morton, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Rosie Bevan, 2 Oct 2002
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