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  • ID: I25706
  • Name: Henry 4th Baron FERRERS , of Groby, Sir 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 16 FEB 1355/56 in Tiltey Abbey, Tilty, Dunmow, Essex, England 1 2
  • Death: 3 FEB 1387/88 in Groby Old Hall, Leicestershire, England 1 2
  • Note:
    Henry Ferrers, b. 16 Feb 1355/6; d. 3 Feb 1387/8, 4th Baron Ferrers of Groby; m. bef. 27 Apr 1371, Joan, d. 30 May 1394, probably daughter of Sir Thomas de Hoo and Isabel Seint Leger. [Ancestral Roots]



    HENRY (DE FERRERS), LORD FERRERS OF GROBY, son and heir, by 1st wife, born 16 February 1355/6 in the Abbey of Tiltey, and baptized at Stebbing. During his minority, Edmund de Stebbyng clk. and Robert de Bradenham, two feoffees, conspired, by means of a forged release, to deprive him of the reversion of the manors of Marks in Great Dunmow and Flecknoe. On 26 Apr. 1377 the King took his homage and fealty, and he had livery of his father's lands and of those which Margaret his stepmother had held for life in dower or otherwise of his inheritance. He took part in the expedition in 1377 under the Earl of Buckingham, in that of 1378 under the Duke of Lancaster, and in the raid of the Earl of Buckingham into Brittany, July 1380 to April 1381. In Aug. 1385 he accompanied Richard II in his invasion of Scotland, being in the main body with the King. He was summoned to Parliament from 4 August 1377 to 17 December 1387, by writs directed Henrico de Ferrariis (or de Ferrers) de Groby.

    He married, before 27 April 1371, Joan, daughter (probably) of Sir Thomas de Hoo, of Luton Hoo and Stopsley, Beds, by Isabel, daughter and heir of Sir John DE SEINT LEGER, of Offley, Herts (a). He died 3 February 1387. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned, 20 March 1387/8, and on 18 February 1388/9 she had livery of the knights' fees and advowsons of her dower, which were assigned to her by the King. She died 30 May 1394. [Complete Peerage V:351-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    (a) Dugdale, citing Glover (who seems, however, to have merely followed the Visitation pedigree), calls Joan "da. of Thomas Poynings": this being impossible, later writers altered the statement to "da. of Luke Poynings." But Luke, in his will (1376)--which was unknown to these writers--does not mention her, though he leaves legacies to some two dozen persons. In 1371 the King gave to Luke de Ponynges the wardship of the lands of William de Ferrers (not the marriage of the heir, who was probably already married), but there is no reason to thence assume--as appears to have been done--that Joan belonged to the family of Poynings. However, her seal on a grant of hers, has a shield of Ferrers impaling on a chief two mullets pierced, presumably for St. John, as used by Poynings. On the other hand, the fact that her eldest son was born at the principal manor of Sir Thomas de Hoo affords a strong presumption that she was a daughter of Sir Thomas: Sir William de Hoo, son and heir of Thomas, was a feoffee of Henry de Ferrers in 1377.

    [Note: the portion of the above note (a) which reads "Poynings. However, her seal on a grant of hers, has a shield of Ferrers impaling on a chief two mullets pierced, presumably for St. John, as used by Poynings." was added by CP XIV: 321, published in 1998, and is the basis for Plantagenet Ancestry declaring that Joan was a daughter of Luke de Poynings.]

    Father: William 3rd Baron FERRERS , of Groby, Sir b: 28 FEB 1332/33 in Newbold Verdon, Leicestershire, England
    Mother: Margaret de UFFORD b: ABT 1333 in Eresby, Spilsby, Lincolnshire, England

    Marriage 1 Joan de POYNINGS b: ABT 1356 in Basing, Hampshire, England
    • Married: BEF 27 APR 1371 1 2
    1. Has Children William 5th Baron FERRERS , of Groby, Sir b: BEF 25 APR 1372 in Luton Hoo, Luton, Bedfordshire, England

    1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 11-33
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: V:351-3
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