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  • ID: I25631
  • Name: Lucienne de MONTLHERY 1 2
  • Sex: F
  • ALIA: Lucienne de /Rochefort/
  • Birth: 1088 in Rochefort-en-Yevlines, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France 2
  • Death: AFT 1137
  • Note:
    Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, posted the following, which indicated a source which recently suggested that the mother of Isabelle was not Lucienne, 1st wife of Louis VI, but a Marie de Breuillet. I have not seen any further discussion of this within the Gen-Medieval newgroup, so I think it is too early to say:

    ES II:11 indicates b. (1088)=circa 1088, father: Guichard III

    Research note 1: According to the current edtion, LES CAPETIENS, by van Kerrebrouck, p 83, the mother of Isabelle, dtr of Louis VI, is Marie de Breuillet, dtr of Renaud de Breuillet. [Ref: Robert S Baxter message to Gen-Medieval 21 Apr 2002]

    Research note 2: mother: Adelaide de Crecy
    Research note 3: mother: Elise de Corbeil

    ES II:11, ES XI:156 = m1 1104 Louis VI 'le Gros' K of F. Divorced (annulled) 1107.

    Louis VI was engaged to Lucienne de Rochefort [the same as de Montlhery], but the marriage was not consummated and was annulled on grounds of consanguinity by the council of Troyes presided over by Pope Pascal II. [Ref: Robert S Baxter message to Gen-Medieval 21 Apr 2002 citing: LES CAPETIENS, p 79 et seq, by van Kerrebrouck]. Research note: who was the common ancestor of Lucienne and Louis? Also, was dau Isabelle legitimated when they married then again made illegimate upon annullment?

    m2 nach (after) 23.V 1107 [Ref: ES III:624, ES XI:156] um (about) 1107 [Ref: ES II:11] to Guichard.

    d. nach (after) 1137 [Ref: ES III:624]

    Regards,
    Curt




    Father: Guy II de MONTLHERY , Comte de Rochefort b: 1037 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-de-France, France
    Mother: Adelaide de CRECY , Dame de Gournay-sur-Marne b: ABT 1054 in Crecy, Ardennes, Champagne, France

    Marriage 1 Louis VI "The Fat" King of FRANCE b: 1081 in Paris, Seine, Ile-de-France, France
    • Married: 1104 in 1st husband 1st wife - divorced 1107 2
    Children
    1. Has Children Isabelle Princess of FRANCE b: ABT 1101 in Paris, Seine, Ile-de-France, France

    Marriage 2 Guichard III Seigneur de BEAUJEU b: BEF 1075 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France
    • Married: 23 MAY 1107 in 2nd husband 2
    Children
    1. Has Children Alix (Marie) de BEAUJEU b: ABT 1115 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France
    2. Has Children Humbert III Seigneur de BEAUJEU b: 1120 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Paul C. Reed, 12 Jan 2000
      Text: Lucienne de Rochefort - same as Lucienne de Montlhery
    2. Title: Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org
      Page: Lucienne de Rochefort
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