The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I25148
  • Name: Eudon II Vicomte de PORHOET , and Rohan 1
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Eudes Count of /Brittany/, & Porhoet
  • Birth: ABT 1122 in Josselin, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
  • Death: AFT 1185 in La Trinite Porhoet, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
  • Note:
    The following gives some details on Eudes/Eudon's titles and death date:

    From: Doug Richardson [mailto:royalancestry@msn.com]
    Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 1:34 PM
    To: Jim Weber
    Subject: Re: Corrections for your database

    The post below should also be helpful to you. I'll have more to say later about this family. DR

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    Dear John ~

    Regarding the death date of Eudes, Count (or Duke) of Brittany (2nd husband of Bertha of Brittany and step-father of Conan IV, Duke of Brittany), I note that the Breton historian Morice does not provide a death date for him in his pedigree chart on the Porhoet family in his work, Histoire Ecclesiastique et Civil de Bretagne, 1 (1750): xx-xxi. He does indicate that Eudes had the titles of Count of Porhoet and Vicomte of Rennes. However, so far in the charters I have seen for Count/Duke Eudes, he is styled either Count Eudes, Eudes Count of Brittany, or Eudes Duke of Brittany, with no mention of Porhoet or Rennes. If anyone knows of any contemporary evidence that this Eudes was known as Count of Porhoet or Vicomte of Rennes, I'd very much like to know about it.

    Regarding the death date of Count/Duke Eudes, I previously indicated that my files gave a death date for him for 1170, whereas you had about 1185. Count/Duke Eudes is surely the Count Eudes who appears on a list of the major barons of Brittany issued in 1185 by Geoffrey Plantagenet, Duke of Brittany [see Morice, Morice Memoires pour Servir de Preuves a l'Hist. de Bretagne, 1 (1742): 706-707]. Thus, it appears that Count/Duke Eudes was living in 1185. He was presumably dead before 1195, as I note that his son, Eudes Fitz Count, together with his brother, Henri, witnessed a charter for Alain III, Vicomte of Rohan (husband of Constance of Brittany) to Bonrepos Abbey [Reference: Morice, Memoires pour Servir de Preuves a l'Hist. de Bretagne, 1 (1742): 698]. This charter dates sometime before Alain III's death, which I show took place in 1195. Elsewhere, I find that Eudes Fitz Count (son and heir of Count/Duke Eudes) issued a charter to the monks of St. Jagu in 1201 [Reference: Morice, Memoires pour Servir de Preuves a l'Hist. de Bretagne, 1 (1742): 793]. Taking these records together, it appears that Count/Duke Eudes was living in 1185, was presumably dead before 1195, and certainly dead before 1201. He presumably had his two surviving sons, Eudes Fitz Count and his brother, Henri, by his 2nd marriage to _____ de Leon.

    Regarding Count/Duke Eudes' son and heir, Eudes Fitz Count, I find him consistently in charters throughout his entire life as Eudes Fitz Count. He is never associated with any title. Yet, Morice's pedigree chart of this family which is cited above states he was Count of Porhoet, Vicomte of Rennes just like his father. If this is so, the contemporary charters do not at all bear this out. He is not called count in any of the numerous documents regarding the division of his estates, but his father is always so styled. He is likewise never associated with a surname, Porhoet, although I find modern editors assign this surname to him and his children.

    So, we have some answers, but more questions have popped up. Also, problems with nomenclature have popped up, which is typical. Shades of Henriette Marie!

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah




    Father: Geoffrey Vicomte de PORHOET , and Rohan b: ABT 1095 in Rohan, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
    Mother: Hawise Fergant of BRITTANY b: ABT 1100 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France

    Marriage 1 Bertha Heiress of BRITTANY b: ABT 1122 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France
    • Married: BEF 1148 in 2nd husband 1st wife - divorced? 1

    Marriage 2 Eleanor de LEON b: ABT 1135 in Leon, Spain
    • Married: BEF 1155 in 2nd wife
    Children
    1. Has Children Eudon III Comte de PORHOET b: ABT 1156 in Guilliers, Morbihan, Bretagne, France

    Sources:
    1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: X:790
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