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  • ID: I24878
  • Name: Isabel FITZRALPH , Heiress of Glascote 1
  • Sex: F
  • ALIA: Isabel /FitzNicholas/, Heiress of Glascote
  • Birth: ABT 1273 in Glascote, Tamworth, Warwickshire, England
  • Note:
    The following post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, questioned my original name for Isabel, which was FitzNicholas (picked up on the internet somewhere, obviously named after her grandfather). I agree with his thinking, and have made her FitzRalph after her father's name (There is a debate on SGM whether "Fitz" only means "son of" or can be applied to daughter's as well, with most apparently thinking "son of" only.):

    ID: I24878 Name: Isabel FitzNicholas
    Children: Amice (Alice) Marmion b: ABT 1303

    1. Why fitzNicholas? If anything label her "fitzGiles" being dau. of Giles fitzRalph. In reality fitz means "son of", so she wouldn’t have had a patronymic, being female. She would have been known as (& this is what CP VIII:514 specifically calls her): "Isabel dau. of Giles son of Ralph". You are of course free to call her whatever you want ;>)

    Re: Amice date of birth
    Richard Borthwich 22 Oct 2000 msg to SGM citing CP VIII:514 & Victoria History of the Counties of England - Warwickshire v4 p253 stated her mother: "Isabel. Died 1292", so maybe 1303 should be adjusted.

    Regards,
    Curt




    Father: Giles FITZRALPH b: ABT 1250 in Nether Whitacre, Meriden, Warwickshire, England
    Mother: Margery de APPLEBY b: ABT 1250

    Marriage 1 Robert MARMION , of Glascote, Sir b: ABT 1263 in Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Amice (Alice) MARMION b: ABT 1303 in Glascote, Tamworth, Warwickshire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: VIII:513-4
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