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  • ID: I23673
  • Name: Madog o'r Hendwr ab IORWERTH , Baron of Hendwr 1
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Madog ap /Dafydd/, Baron of Hendwr
  • Birth: ABT 1255 in Monmouth Castle, Monmouthshire, Wales
  • Death: AFT 1293 in Hendwr, Llandrillo, Denbighshire, Wales 2
  • Note:
    Leo's data base has this ancestry for Madog, father of Gwervil, who m. Gronwy ap Tudor and was ancestress of Henry VII. Leo was using as his source "The Ancestors of Richard Vaughan, Bishop of London 1607", published in 2002 by William Addams Reitwiesner.

    Madog was also father of David Hendower who m. Isabel de Cornwall, and was ancestor of the Hendower/Hender family of Court Manor in Branell, Cornwall.

    Leo does not mention a 2nd wife, Gwenllian Lloyd, for Madog, nor does he mention other children for Madog.

    By following various sources on the internet (see notes for Madog de Hendour, Eva Llewelyn's "other" husband), I have arrived at a completely different ancestry for Madog. The only things in common are that both were married to Eva/Efa Llewelyn ap Gruffudd ap Gwenwynwyn and both are descended in the male line from Madog ap Maredudd, King of Powys (although Leo has him descend from Madog's elder son Gruffudd, while the other descends from one of Madog's younger illegitimate sons (note that illegitimacy was not that important to the Welsh at this time)).

    I am leaving both ancestries in place (one for the Tudor line and the other for the Hendower line, with Efa Llewelyn married to both Madogs), as I don't know which is correct.




    Father: Iorwerth ap MADOG b: ABT 1215 in of Carrog and Trewyn,Montgomery,Wales
    Mother: Gwenllian verch MADOG , "Foel" b: ABT 1219 in Wales

    Marriage 1 Efa verch LLEWELYN b: ABT 1270 in Powis Castle, Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales
      Children
      1. Has Children Gwervil verch MADOG b: ABT 1295 in Hendwr, Llandrillo, Denbighshire, Wales

      Sources:
      1. Title: Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org
        Page: Madog o'r Hendwr ap Iorwerth
      2. Title: Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org
        Page: Madog o'r Hendwr ap Iorwerth
        Text: mentioned in 1293 (adult by then (would not have been metioned otherwise), may have lived much longer)
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