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  • ID: I22027
  • Name: John TALBOT , 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, KG, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: 4th\1st Earl of /Shrewsbury/, John Talbot
  • Name: 1st Earl of WATERFORD , John Talbot 4
  • Birth: ABT 1384 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England 1 2 5
  • Death: 17 JUL 1453 in Battle of Castillon, Bordeaux, France (killed) 1 2 3
  • Burial: St Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England
  • Note:
    Sir John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury (technically the Earldom was designated as being of "Salop" or "Shropshire" but ever afterwards, indeed in the grantee's lifetime, its bearers have been known as Earls of "Shrewsbury") and the 1st Earl of Waterford, so created 20 May 1442 and 17 July 1446 (when also made Hereditary Steward of Ireland) respectively, though called to Parliament 26 Oct 1409 by writs made out to Lord (Baron) de Furnyvall/de Halomshire in right of his 1st wife during her lifetime and as Lord (Baron) Talbot of Hallamshire) afterwards, also according to later doctrine 7th Lord (Baron) Talbot and 7th or 10th Lord (Baron) Strange (of Blackmere) on his niece Ankaret's death 1421, KG (1424), JP (Derbys Feb 1407/8, Salop & Staffs March 1409/10); b. c 1384; King's Esquire 1407; knighted by 1413, King's Lieutenant in Ireland Feb 1413/4 and March 1444/5, Justiciar of Ireland Jan-April 1425, campaigned Hundred Years War: Battle of Verneuil 1424, took Laval March 1427/8, also Nogent-le-Roi and was at Siege of Orleans 1428-29, commander at Battle of Patay June 1429 (captured but subsequently ransomed), took Patay 1433, Joigny 1434, Beaumont-su-Oise May 1434, Creil June 1434 and Clermont, created by Henry VI Count of Clermont end Beauvoisis (part of a policy pursued by Henrys V and VI of making their chief commanders nobles in English-occupied France with French fiefs), present at Siege of Saint-Denis Sep 1435, retook Pays de Caux 1436/7, held Le Croty 1437, Marshal of France by 6 April 1437, took Longueville 1438, reinforced Mezux 1439 and Pontoise several times, destroyed Poissy 1441, conducted Siege of Dieppe 1442, Keeper of Porchester Castle and Governor of Portsmouth Feb 1451/2, Lieutenant of Aquitaine 1452, retook Bordeaux Oct 1452 took Fronsac March 1452/3, finally killed with his 4th son (3rd here noticed) at the rout of Castillon (the last battle of the Hundred Years War) 17 July 1453;

    married 1st by 12 May 1406/7 Maud, Baroness Furnivall(e) in her own right according to later doctrine (d. c 1423), daughter and heiress of Thomas Neville, 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e) in right of his 1st wife, and had issue. The 1st Earl married 2nd 6 Sep 1425 Lady Margaret Beauchamp (died 14 June 1467), eldest daughter and coheir of Richard, Earl of Warwick by his 1st wife Elizabeth (only child of 5th Lord (Baron) Berkeley of the 1295 creation, and deemed by later doctrine to have been Baroness Berkeley and Baroness Lisle in her own right, though on her death, they would have fallen into abeyance between her three daughter and coheirs even by the same later doctrine. [Burke's Peerage]

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    Sir John Talbot, KG, b. c 1384, slain at Castillon 17 July 1453, Earl of Shrewsbury; m. (1) 1406/7 Maud de Neville, Lady Furnivall, b. c 1392, d. c 1423, daughter of Thomas Nevill, Lord Furnivall, by his wife, Joan Furinvall, Lady Furnivall. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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    BARONY of TALBOT (VII)

    BARONY of FURNIVALLE (IV, 1)

    EARLDOM of WATERFORD (I) 1446

    EARLDOM of SHREWSBURY (IV, 1) 1442

    John (Talbot), Lord Talbot, Lord Furnivalle (of Blackmere), 2nd son of Richard (Talbot), Lord Talbot, by Ankaret, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Strange (of Blackmere), daughter and eventually heir of Sir John Lestraunge, Lord Lestraunge or Lord Strange (of Blackmere), of Whitchurch, Salop, b. about 1384; by his 1st marriage, before 5 Apr 1407, with Maud, according to modern doctrine, suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, he acquired the great family estates of the family of Furnivalle in Hallamshire, of which the castle of Sheffield was the caput, and, in consequence thereof, he was summoned to Parliament as Lord Furnivalle or Lord Talbot (of Hallamshire), from 26 Oct 1409 to 26 Feb 1420 by writs directed to Johanni Talbot, with the additions: domino de Furnyvall, or de Halomshire. He witnessed, as Johannes, Dominus de Farnevale, the agreement between Henry, Prince of Wales, and Rees ap Llewelyn, for the surrender of Aberystwyth, 12 Sep 1407. He was King's Esquire, bef. 25 Apr 1407, when he was granted the keeping of the castle and lordship of Montgomery during the minority of Edmund, Earl of March; on the Commission of the Peace, Derbyshire, 7 Feb 1407/8; Salop and Staffordshire, 14 Mar 1409/10; knighted bef. 15 July 1413; committed to the Tower, 16 Nov 1413 (a); Commissioner to arrest and imprison Lollards, 11 Jan 1413/4; Commissioner to enforce the Statute of Leicester against the Lollards, 28 July 1414. He was appointed King's Lieuteneant of Ireland for 6 years, with power to nominate a Deputy, 24 Feb 1413/4, being sworn in 13 Nov. He left Ireland, 7 Feb 1415/6, was present at the reception of Sigismund, King of the Romans (afterwards Emperor), at Dover, May 1416, returned to Ireland, Apr 1418, but left again, July 1419. By the death, 13 Dec 1421, of his niece Ankaret, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Talbot, and the consequent failure of the issue of his elder brother Gilbert, Lord Talbot, etc, he became Lord Talbot (1331) and Lord Strange (of Blackmere) (1308). He was also, by inheritance from his great-grandmother, Elizabeth, wife of Richard, 2nd Lord Talbot, lord of the honor of Wexford, in Ireland.

    He was with Henry VI at Windsor, 28 Sep 1422; ordered to prevent riots on the Welsh marches, 3 Oct 1422; nominated KG, 6 May 1424; Justiciar of Ireland Jan-Apr 1425. He was at the battle of Verneuil, 17 Aug 1424; Capt. of Coutances and Pont de l'Arche, 1 Jan 1427/8; took Laval 13 Mar 1427/8, Capt. of Falaise, 8 Nov 1428; took part in the capture of Nogent-le-Roi, and the siege of Orleans, 1428-9. He was one of the commanders at the battle of Patay, 18 June 1429, where he fought on foot with archers and was taken prisoner. He was exchanged for Poton de Xaintrailles, July 1433, and joined the Duke of Burgundy in his campaign, when Patay was taken, July 1433. In 1434, after a visit to England, he returned in command of 800 men and, after capturing Joigny on his way to Paris, took Beaumont-sur-Oise in May, Creil in June and Clermont, when Henry VI created him Count of Clermont en Beauvoisis. He was at the siege of Saint-Denis in Sep 1435; recovered the Pays de Caux 1436; defeated la Hire at Ris near Rouen, end of 1436; captured Ivry and surprised Pontoise, Jan-Feb 1436/7; saved Le Crotoy from the Duke of Burgundy, 1437; Marshal of France, bef. 6 Apr 1437; captured Longueville and other castles in the Pays de Caux 1438; revictualled Meaux 1439; at the siege and capture of Harfleur, and was made Capt. of the town, 1440; granted a pension of 300 gold salus a quarter, 3 Dec 1440; revictualled Pontoise several times and sacked Poissy 1441; Lord of Grasville-Sainte-Honorine bef. 1442; besieged Dieppe 1442. For his services he was created, 20 May 1442, Earl of Salop, in tail male; but he and his successors have alway been known as Earls of Shrewsbury. He had a licence for good service in France to absent himself from Ireland for 10 years and to receive all rents from his possessions in Wexford and elsewhere, 16 Mar 1442/3; granted for life 60 marks per annum at the Exchequer and 40 marks per annum from the petty custom in the port of London, 2 Mar 1443/4; godfather fo Elizabeth of York, Rouen, 22 Sep 1444; one of the Lords who welcomed Margaret of Anjou at Rouen, 22 Mar 1444/5; received outside London, Louis de Bourbon, Comte de Vendome, and the other French Ambassadors, 16 July 1445. He was reappointed King's Leiutenant of Ireland for 7 years, 12 Mar 1444/5, and was created 17 July 1446, Earl of Waterford [I], and made Hereditary Steward of Ireland. In 1447 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat with the Commissioners of Charles VII, 18 Aug 1448; one of the hostages for the surrender of Rouen, which he had bravely defended, Oct 1449. At the surrender of Falaise, 20 July 1450, he was held quit of everything in which he could be bound under the agreement made at Rouen, provided that he went to Rome, from which city he returned to England, Dec 1450.

    Commissioner for the subsidy, London and Middlesex, 23 Jan 1450/1; Surrey and Sussex, Southampton and Wilts, 20 May 1451; Wales, 30 July 1452; Keeper of the Castle and Town of Porchester and Gov. of Portsmouth (for life), 17 Feb 1451/2. He was appointed to command the Army on the sea, Mar 1451/2, having been with the King at Canterbury on Candlemas Day, and Lieutenant of Aquitaine, 1 Sep 1452. After landing in the Medoc in Oct, he recovered Bordeaux, 23 Oct, and most of the Bordelais; captured Fronsac, Mar 1452/3. He attempted to relieve Castillon on the Dordogne, but in an attack on the French entrenched camp, he was slain, together with his son John, Lord Lisle, 17 July 1453.

    He m. 1stly, bef. 12 Mar 1406/7, Maud, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, elder daughter of Thomas (Neville), Lord Furnivalle, and only child and heir of (his 1st wife) Joan, according to modern doctrine suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, only daughter and heir of William (de Furnivalle), Lrod Furnivalle. She, who was b. c 1392 sat at Queen Katherine's Coronation banquet in Westminster Hall, 21 Feb 1420/1. She d. about 1423 and was buried in Worksop Priory, Notts. He m. 2ndly, 6 Sep 1425, at Warwick Castle, Margaret, 1st daughter of Richard (Beauchamp), Earl of Warwick, by his 1st wife, to whom she was coheir, Elizabeth, only child and heir of Thomas (Berkeley), Lord Berkeley, which Elizabeth was, according to modern doctrine, suo jure Baroness Lisle and Baroness Berkeley. He d. as stated above, 17 July 1453, and was buried at St. Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Salop, M.I. Will dated 1 Sep 1452, at Portsmouth, probated 18 Jan 1453/4. Writs of diem cl. extr. 10 Sep, 24 Oct, and 28 Oct 1453. His widow, who was b. in 1404, d. 14 June 1467, and was buried in the Jesus Chapel of St. Paul's. [Complete Peerage XI:698-704]

    (a) At the same date he and his elder brother Gilbert entered into recognisances for 4,000 marks each, to be levied in Salop, to be of good behaviour. It has been suggested that his imprisonment may have been connected with the rising of Sir John Oldcastle, but his appointment as a Commissioner to arrest Lollards and to enforce the Statute of Leicester makes this improbable. He may have been committed to the Tower and subsequently appointed Lieutenant of Ireland to stop a feud between him and the Earl of Arundel arising from a dispute about some land in Shropshire. On the day on which he was committed to the Tower, Arundel entered into a recognisance for 10,000 marks to be of good behaviour, and Edmund, Earl of March, John, Earl Marshal, and Sir William de Roos entered into like cognisances for Arundel's good behaviour.

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    From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry AT msn.com)
    Subject: CP Correction: Marriage of John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, and Maud Neville
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2003-05-16 10:09:58 PST


    Dear Newsgroup ~

    Complete Peerage 11 (1949): 702 (sub Shrewsbury) states that John Talbot (died 1453), 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, married as his first wife before 12 March 1406/7 Maud Neville, elder daughter of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival. No source is provided for the date of this marriage, which is a rather unusual oversight for Complete Peerage.

    I've recently encountered a London record which indicates that John and Maud Talbot were actually married before 8 March 1406[/7]. On this date they were suing John Penros regarding their free tenement in the parish of St. Andrew Holborne [Reference: A.H. Thomas, Select Pleas and Memoranda of the City of London, A.D. 1381-1412, published 1932, pg. 279].

    Maud (Neville) Talbot inherited this tenement from her grandfather, William Furnival, who in turn acquired the tenement in 1350 [see Husting Roll, 104 (76) (77) 149) (150)]. According to the editor, Mr. Thomas, the tenement was known as "Fournyvalles Inne" and consisted of 2 messuages and 13 shops. Maud's father, Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival, was suing Maud's widowed grandmother, Thomasine Furnival, for the same tenement the previous year (see Thomas, ibid., pg. 276).

    John Talbot and Maud Neville are in the ancestry of two New World immigrants as follows:

    1. Robert Abell

    2. Grace Chetwode

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

    E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com




    Father: Richard 4th Baron TALBOT , 1st of Blackmere, Sir b: ABT 1361 in Goodrich Castle, Eccleswall, Herefordshire, England
    Mother: Ankaret Baroness le STRANGE b: 1361 in Blakemere, Weobley, Herefordshire, England

    Marriage 1 Maud NEVILLE , 6th Baroness Furnival b: ABT 1392 in Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
    • Married: BEF 8 MAR 1406/07 in 1st wife 6
    • Married: BEF 12 MAR 1406/07 in 1st wife 7 8 9 10
    Children
    1. Has Children John TALBOT , 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, KG, Sir b: 12 DEC 1413 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
    2. Has No Children Joan TALBOT b: BEF 1423 in Waterford, Ireland

    Marriage 2 Margaret BEAUCHAMP , Baroness Lisle b: ABT 1404 in Goodrest in Wedgnock Park, Warwickshire, England
    • Married: 6 SEP 1425 in 2nd wife 11 12
    Children
    1. Has Children Katherine (Catherine) TALBOT b: ABT 1425 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2604-5
    2. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 141-8
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XI:698-704, VIII:55
    4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XII/2:419
    5. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XI:698-704
    6. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 16 May 2003
    7. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2605, 2241
    8. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 141-8
      Text: 1406/7
    9. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XI:702
    10. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: V:591
    11. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2605
    12. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VIII:55, XI:703
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