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  • ID: I21778
  • Name: Thomas 5th Baron de BERKELEY , MP, Sir 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 5 JAN 1352/53 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England 1 3
  • Death: 13 JUL 1417 in (dspm) 1 4 5 3
  • Burial: Wotton-under-Edge, Dursley, Gloucestershire, England 6
  • Note:
    Thomas de Berkeley, b. Berkeley Castle 5 Jan 1352/3, d. 13 July 1417, Lord Berkeley, MP 1381-1415; m. Nov 1367, Margaret, Baroness Lisle, b. 1360, d. 20 Mar 1391/2, daughter of Warin de Lisle, Lord Lisle. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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    Thomas de Berkeley, Lord Berkeley, son and heir, who "may bee called Thomas, the Magnificent." He was b. at Berkeley Castle, 5 Jan 1352/3, and after having a ward to his father-in-law, Lord Lisle, made proof of his age on 5 Jan 1373/4. He was summoned to Parliament from 16 July 1381 to 3 Sep 1415. From 1378 to 1385 he served in the wars in France, Spain, Brittany, and Scotland, and in 1386 entertained the King at Berkeley Castle, for the deposition of whom, however, he was, 30 Sep 1399, one of the Commissioners. PC to Richard II and Henry IV. Admiral of the South and West 1403; Joint Warden of the Welsh Marches 1404, and one of the Regents of the Kingdom, Apr 1416.

    He m. Nov 1367, in his 15th year, at Wingrave, Bucks, Margaret, de jure suo jure (according to modern doctrine) Baroness Lisle (of Kingston Lisle) and Baroness Tyeys, daughter and heir of Warin de Lisle, Lord Lisle, by Margaret, daughter and coheir of Sir William Pipard. She was then aged but 7, and they remained 4 years apart. At her father's death, 28 June 1382, she inherited considerable estates, and, in her own right, her husband appears to have styled himself Lord Lisle. She d. between May and Sep 1392, and was buried at Wotton-under-Edge, co. Gloucester. He dspm (c) 13 July 1417, in his 65th year and was buried at Wotton aforesaid. M.I. Will dated 2 Feb 1415/6, probated 1417. [Complete Peerage II:130-1, XIV:87]

    (c) Elizabeth, his sole daughter and heir, aged 30 in 1416, m. Richard Beauchamp, 13th Earl of Warwick, by whom she had three daughters and coheirs, viz. Margaret, wife of John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury; Eleanor, who m. (1) Thomas, Lord Ros, (2) Edmund, Duke of Somerset, and (3) Walter Rokesley, Esq; and Elizabeth, wife of George Neville, Lord Latimer. According to the usual descent of Baronies in fee the dignity created by the Writ of Summons of 1295 and that of 1308, should have devolved on the said Elizabeth, daughter and heir of Thomas, Lord Berkeley, and not upon his collateral heir male; but whether this anomaly arose from an idea then prevailing, that the tenure of the Castle of Berkeley conferred the Barony, or whether the heir male had the greater political influence, cannot now perhaps be ascertained: the inference which may be drawn from the relative situations of the husband of the said Elizabeth, who was one of the most powerful noblemen of the time, and that of James Berkeley who succeeded to the Barony, is, that the tenure of Berkeley Castle was then considered to confer the dignity on its possessor, and consequently that the said James was allowed that dignity as his right, rather than by the favour of the Crown. There were, however, other instances, as in Burghersh and De la War, of the heir male of a Baron by Writ, being summoned instead of the heir general, and if modern decsisions may be applied to the subject, the Baronies of Berkeley, created by the Writs of Summons are now in abeyance between the descendants and representatives of the three daughters and coheirs of Elizabeth, Countess of Warwick, above mentioned, whose names will be found in a Note to the account of the Barony of Lisle; and the Barony possessed by the Earls Berkeley (1658-1882) is that created by the Writ of Summons to James Berkeley 1421.

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    She [Margaret Lisle] married, in November 1367, at Wingrave, Bucks, when aged about 7, Thomas BERKELEY, son of Maurice, LORD BERKELEY, by Elizabeth, daughter of Hugh DESPENSER the younger, LORD DESPENSER,[e] which Thomas succeeded his father as LORD BERKELEY 8 June 1368. On 7 July 1379 Thomas and Margaret had a Papal indult for a portable altar. On 30 November 1381 it was agreed between Thomas, Lord Berkeley, and Warin, Lord Lisle, that Margaret wife of Thomas and daughter of Warin should have all Warin's lands; Warin to come and go and dwell at Berkeley Castle, enjoying free hunting and fishing; he and Thomas to travel together in all wars; and the issue of Thomas and Margaret to bear and use the arms of Lisle after Warin's death. They had livery of her stepmother's dower 29 May 1392. She died between May and September 1392, and was buried at Wotton-under-Edge, co. Gloucester. He died sp.m. 13 July 1417, and was buried at Wotton. The brasses remain, but are without inscription. [Complete Peerage VIII:53-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]




    Father: Maurice IV "The Valiant" 4th Baron de BERKELEY b: 1330 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England
    Mother: Elizabeth le DESPENSER b: BEF 1327 in Stoke, Gloucestershire, England

    Marriage 1 Margaret Baroness de LISLE b: ABT 1360 in Kingston Lisle, Sparsholt, Berkshire, England
    • Married: NOV 1367 in Wingrave, Buckinghamshire, England 1 7
    Children
    1. Has Children Elizabeth Baroness de BERKELEY & Lisle & Teye b: ABT 1386 in Berkeley Castle, Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 80-8
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: II:130-1, VIII:53-4
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: II:130-1
    4. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 28b-9
      Text: indicates dspm.
    5. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VIII:53-4
    6. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Dave Utzinger, 19 Aug 2005
    7. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VIII:53-4, II:131
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