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  • ID: I20803
  • Name: Ralph BLUET , of Daglingworth & Raglan, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Ralph /Blewett/, Lord of Ragland, Sir
  • Birth: ABT 1295 in Daglingworth, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
  • Death: AFT 1335 in Raglan Castle, Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales
  • Note:
    Information obtained from Brenda H. Reed, World Connect db=brendahelenreed, rootsweb.com:
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    Supported Thomas, Earl of Lancaster against Edward II & the Despensers. As a result in 1322 Daglingworth was confiscated from him. After the Edward II was deposed and murdered, Daglingworth was restored to him. [Edward II of England d. 1327]

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    Douglas Richardson doesn't give an ancestry for Ralph Bluet, but states that he was of Raglan, co. Monmouth, Thruxton, co. Hereford, and Daglingworth, co. Gloucester. His connection with Raglan, which descended through his issue, places him as closely connected with the "Ralph Blewett, Lord of Ragland", whose ancestry is given in both the Visitations of Cornwall and Devon. In fact chronology would indicate that Ralph Blewett of Ragland and Ralph Bluet of Raglan are the same person (both b. about 1300). Therefore I am making that connection in my ancestry files. I would think that Amice was Ralph's 1st wife and Hawise his 2nd because Ralph (son by Amice) was apparently the eldest son, inheriting his father's estates, while Walter Blewett (son by Hawise) did not inherit, but seemed to hold lands (Greenham, Somerset) acquired through his marriage to Christian Grantham/Greenham. However Douglas Richardson states that Amice was alive in 1346, which would probably (unless a divorce happened) make Amice his 2nd/last wife. I am still making Amice his 1st wife because her son (Ralph) was obviously the eldest.

    To recap: There is really only room for one Ralph Blewett/Bluet who is lord of Raglan/Ragland, born around 1300. It is not as if Ralph Blewett Lord of Ragland died without issue and Raglan was passed on to a brother/nephew/cousin, because Ralph Blewett of Ragland had at least one son Walter. This Walter must have been a younger son since he didn't inherit. Therefore Ralph Bluet of Raglan must have been the elder son and heir by Amice Pichard, while Walter was a son by a later wife, Hawise de Monthermer or de Clare.

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    Following is a copy of my query to SGM, 12 Dec 2003, which included the appropriate portions of the Visitations of Cornwall & Devon (I have not yet received any reply to the connection with the Blewett Visitations, although Douglas Richardson gave the MCS pedigree--see notes under grandson John Bluet):

    From: Jim Weber (jimweber AT nwintl.com)
    Subject: Ancestry of John Bluet, of Raglan
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2003-12-12 14:26:18 PST

    Dear Newsgroup,

    I have been curious for sometime as to the ancestry for John Bluet/Blouet, of Raglan, father of Elizabeth who married (1) Bartholomew Picot, (2) James de Berkeley, and (3) William ap Thomas Herbert.

    Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd Edition, p. 23, states that John Bluet of Raglan, co. Monmouth, was "of Magna Carta Surety descent", which seems to indicate that there is a known pedigree for him; yet I have never seen any such pedigree given.

    Vivian's Visitations of Cornwall 1530 1573 & 1620, "Blewett of Colan", p. 35, gives the following descent:

    1. William Blewett, Earl of Salisbury [Yikes! Title is far-fetched!]

    2. Sir Rowlan Blewett, Kt, younger son of Earl of Sarum = Lettice, dau & coh. of Jeoffrey Ragland, Lord of Raglan

    3. Sir Edmund Blewett, Kt = Isabell, sister of Hump. Bowen, Kt

    4. Sir Roger Blewett, Kt = Joane, da. of Sir Lewis Powis, Kt, Lo. Powis

    5. Thomas Blewett = Edith, sister of Owen Ward, Lo. of Penalton

    6. Sir Ralph Blewett, Kt, Lord of Ragland = Llowis, sister of Gilbert de Monthermer, Earl of Hereford and Gloucester. [Ralph de Monthermer was styled Earl of Hertford & Gloucester in right of his wife Joan of Acre, widow of Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Hertford & Gloucester. Joan & Gilbert had a son Gilbert, who was also Earl of Hertford & Gloucester. The latter Gilbert would have been "step-son" of Ralph de Monthermer. Hard to say who is meant.]

    [The male descent continues on for at least 5 generations]

    The Visitations of Devon 1564 (ed. Frederic Thomas Colby), [year of visitation was 1520], "Blewett" [of Holcombe Rogus?], p. 21-22, gives the following descent:

    1. William Blewett, Kt

    2. Roland Blewett, younger son = Lucretia, da & coh of Galfride Ragland, lord of Ragland

    3. Edward Blewett, Knt = Isabella, sister of Humphry Bawyn, Knt

    4. Roger Blewett, Knt = Johanna, d. of Lewis de Powys, Knt, lord of Powys

    5 Thomas Blewett, Knt = Edith, sister of Owen Wood, lord of Penhalton

    6. Ralph Blewett, Knt, lord of Ragland = Avis, sister of Gilbert de Monthermer

    [The male descent continues on for at least 6 generations]

    Presumably #6 (in both Cornwall & Devon) Ralph Blewett, lord of Ragland, is a close relative (perhaps father/grandfather/great grandfather) of John Bluet of Raglan.

    Does anyone have any information on the ancestry of John Bluet, which would connect with the Blewett family given in the above visitations of Cornwall & Devon?

    Thank you for any information that can be provided.

    Jim Weber




    Father: Thomas BLEWETT , of Raglan, Sir b: ABT 1276 in Raglan Castle, Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales
    Mother: Edith sister of Owen WOOD , Lord of Penhalton b: ABT 1276 in Penallt, Monmouthshire, Wales

    Marriage 1 Amice PICHARD , Heiress of Thurleston b: ABT 1295 in Thurlestone, Kingsbridge, Devon, England
    • Married: BEF 1308 in 1st wife 4
    Children
    1. Has Children Ralph BLUET , of Thruxton & Raglan, Sir b: ABT 1315 in Thruxton, Hereford, Herefordshire, England
    2. Has Children Walter BLUET , of Greenham b: ABT 1320 in Raglan Castle, Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales

    Marriage 2 Llowis sister of Gilbert de MONTHERMER b: ABT 1304
    • Married: BEF 1325 in 2nd wife ?

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 13 Dec 2003
    2. Title: Visitation of the County of Devon in the Year 1564, edited by Frederic Thomas Colby, 1881, published by W. Pollard
      Page: 22
      Text: Ralph Blewett, Knt, lord of Ragland
    3. Title: Visitations of Cornwall, Comprising the Heralds' Visitations of 1530, 1573, & 1620, with additions by J. L. Vivan, 1887, books.google.com
      Page: 35
      Text: Sir Ralph Blewett, Kt, Lord of Ragland
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 19 Dec 2003
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