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  • ID: I20670
  • Name: Mirabel (Muriel) WAKE 1 2
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1310 in Winterbourne Stoke, Amesbury, Wiltshire, England
  • Death: AFT JUN 1355 3
  • Note:
    He [Hugh de St. John] married Mirabel ----; and died shortly before 25 October 1335. His widow had licence to marry again, 8 May 1336, and had married, 2ndly, before 10 March 1336/7, when they had assignment of her dower, Thomas DE ASPALE, of Kent. They were both living June 1355. [Complete Peerage XI:326-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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    The following post to SGM, 26 Sep 2002, by Douglas Richardson, pretty well nails down Mirabel's identity and ancestry.

    From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry AT msn.com)
    Subject: CP Addition: New Wake-Saint John Descent from King John and Llywelyn ap Iowerth
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2002-09-26 10:03:14 PST

    Dear Newsgroup ~

    The following hitherto unnoticed descent from King John and Llywelyn ap Iowerth lies in the ancestry of Thomas Poynings alias Saint John, 2nd Lord Poynings of Basing (died 1429), and his sister, Joan, wife of Henry de Ferrers, Knt., 4th Lord Ferrers of Groby. Thomas and Joan are in the ancestry of several American colonists.

    The new descent comes through Thomas and Joan's grandmother, Mirabel, wife of Hugh de Saint John, 2nd Lord Saint John of Basing (died 1335), whose parentage has been overlooked by previous researchers. Mirabel's affiliation as daughter of Hugh Wake, Knt., of Winterborne Stoke and Compton, co. Wilts, is proven by the descent of the manor of Winterborne Stoke and other property which fell by inheritance in 1413 to Mirabel's grandson, Thomas Poynings [see J.L. Kirby, Hungerford Cartulary (Wiltshire Rec. Soc., vol. 49) (1994), pg. 35 cited below, in which Thomas Poynings refers to the Wake property as his "inheritance"]. Likewise, in an ancient pedigree of the Aspale family found in Hist. & Antiq. of Suffolk. Thingoe Hundred (1938), by John Gage (cited below), Mirabel is specifically called "Mirabilia fil. Hugonis Wake de Blysworth, fratris Johannis D[omi]ni Wake, 13 Edw. III. 1339."). The Aspale pedigree is correct as to Mirabel's father, Hugh Wake, but confuses him with his cousin of the same name, Hugh Wake of Blisworth. Hugh Wake of Winterborne Stoke was brother to John Wake, Lord Wake, not Hugh Wake of Blisworth.

    For interest sake, the following is a list of colonial immigrants who descend from either Thomas Poynings, or his sister, Joan (Poynings) Ferrers. Their grandmother, Mirabel Wake, also has modern descendants through her younger son, Sir John Aspale, but no colonists are known to descend from him.

    l. Anne Baynton.

    2. Elizabeth Bosvile.

    3. Charles Calvert.

    4. Jeremy Clarke.

    5. Thomas Dudley.

    6. John Fenwick.

    7. William Goddard.

    8. Jane Haviland.

    9. Maria Johanna Somerset.

    10. John Stockman.

    11. Thomas Wingfield (two descents).

    For particulars on descents down to individual immigrants, please see the forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, soon to be released. Contact me at my e-mail address below for details on ordering the book, which is available for a limited time at a special pre-publication price.

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

    E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com

    . . . .

    MIRABEL (or MURIEL) WAKE, married HUGH DE SAINT JOHN, 2nd Lord Saint John of Basing de jure, of Basing, Upton, and Tonworth, co. Hants, Halnaker, Sussex, Tonge, Kent, etc., Keeper of Hampshire, King's yeoman, 2nd but 1st surviving son and heir of John de Saint John, lst Lord Saint John of Basing, by Isabel, daughter of Hugh de Courtenay, Knt., Baron of Oakhampton, Devon. He was born 26 May 1310. They had one son, Edmund [3rd Lord Saint John], and two daughters, Margaret (wife of John de Saint Philibert, Lord Saint Philibert) and Isabel. He was never summoned to Parliament. He was going to Gascony in 1329. They received an indult for plenary remission in 1329. In 1339 he was summoned against the Scots. HUGH DE SAINT JOHN, 2nd Lord Saint John of Basing de jure, died shortly before 25 Oct. 1335. His widow married (2nd) before 10 Mar. 1336/7 THOMAS DE ASPALE, Knt., of Lackford, Suffolk, Sheriff of Hampshire, younger son of Robert de Aspale, Knt., by Alice, daughter and heiress of Hugh de Cressingham, Knt. They had one son, John, Knt. They were both living in June 1355. [Article from forthcoming Plantagenet Ancestry, edited by Douglas Richardson]

    References:

    W. Dugdale, Baronage 2 (1675): 463-465 (sub Port).
    W. Berry, County Genealogies: Pedigrees of the Families in the County of Sussex (1830), pg. 61.
    A.J. Horwood, Year Books of the Reign of King Edward the Third, Years XI & XII (Rerum Britannicarum Medii Aevi Scriptores, vol. 31, no. 6) (1883), pp. 368-373.
    L.O. Pike, Year Books of the Reign of King Edward the Third, Years XIII & XIV (Rerum Britannicarum Medii Aevi Scriptores, vol. 31 no. 8) (1886): 122-131.
    Cal. Entries in the Papal Registers: Letters 2 (1895): 301.
    VCH Hampshire 2 (1903): 496
    (St. John arms: Silver a chief gules with two molets gold upon the chief).
    J. Gage, Hist. & Antiq. of Suffolk. Thingoe Hundred (1838): 45, 47
    (Aspale pedigree based on Aspale and Gedding pedigrees in Liber Drury & MS. Chitting: "D[omi]n[u]s Thomas de Aspale = Mirabilia fil. Hugonis Wake de Blysworth, fratris Johannis D[omi]ni Wake, 13 Edw. III. 1339.").
    C.P. 11 (1949): 326-327.
    G. Paget Baronage of England (1957) 480:5.
    VCH Wiltshire 8 (1965): 39.
    VCH Wiltshire 15 (1995): 277-278.
    G.J. Brault Roll of Arms Edward I (1272-1307) 2 (1997): 372 (arms of Hugh de Saint John: Ermine, on a chief gules two mullets or).




    Father: Hugh WAKE , of Winterbourne & Compton, Sir b: ABT 1271 in Winterbourne Stoke, Amesbury, Wiltshire, England
    Mother: Joan de BELAUNEY b: ABT 1280 in Boulsbury, South Damerham, Hampshire, England

    Marriage 1 Hugh 2nd Baron de ST. JOHN , of Basing, Sir b: AFT 16 OCT 1310 in Basing, Hampshire, England
    • Married: in 1st husband 3
    Children
    1. Has Children Margaret 4th Baroness de ST. JOHN b: ABT 1329 in Basing, Hampshire, England
    2. Has Children Isabel 5th Baroness de ST. JOHN b: ABT 1330 in Basing, Hampshire, England
    3. Has No Children Edmund 3rd Baron de ST. JOHN , of Basing, Sir b: ABT 1332 in Basing, Hampshire, England

    Marriage 2 Thomas de ASPALL , of Lackford, Sir b: ABT 1300 in Lackford, Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, England
    • Married: BEF 10 MAR 1336/37 in 2nd husband 3 2

    Sources:
    1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XI:327
      Text: Mirabel (no last name & no parentage)
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 26 Sep 2002
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XI:327
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