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  • ID: I19914
  • Name: Maurice (Mauritz) DRUMMOND , Sir 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1070 in Hungary
  • Death: 13 NOV 1093 in Battle of Alnwick, Northumberland, England 2
  • Note:
    Came to Scotland from Hungary with St Margaret of Scotland, who married Malcolm Canmore, King of Scotland. Malcolm, being grateful, gave Maurice lands which became the ancestral homeland.

    Note: I am keeping my Hungarian ancestry for Maurice based on the Burke's Peerage statement in its article on Malcolm Drummon, d. 1346, that he was of "a family which allegedly migrated from Hungary to Scotland in the 11th century."

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    The following e-mail, with attached information from ElectricScotland.com came from Lora Cline:

    From: LCnobilus AT wmconnect.com [mailto:LCnobilus AT wmconnect.com]
    Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:50 PM
    To: jimweber AT nwintl.com
    Subject: Maurice Drummond of Hungary?

    Hi Jim,
    Another problem I'm laying on you (sorry) is the business of where Maurice Drummond was from (your file I19970). I found this article about the Drummond family origins at Electric Scotland (there's much more of the article, but not enough room in email to send it). There are a number of other sites that support the theory Maurice came from Hungary, that he was a son or grandson of the King of Hungary. One site even suggests that he was a sibling of Margaret, dau of Aetheling.

    I don't know just how accurate this account is from Electric Scotland, but it seems as plausible as any of the others. Any new info?

    If I'm sending you too much stuff to look up all at once, please just tell me to can it for awhile! OK? You won't hurt my feelings. I have lots of family names to go through yet, so I can hang on to my questions and hit you with them later!

    Lora
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    SCOTTISH FAMILIES - DRUMMOND

    THE founder of the Drummond family was long believed to have been ‘a Hungarian gentleman,' named MAURICE, who was said by Lord Strathallan, in his history of the family, to have piloted the vessel in which Edgar Atheling and his two sisters embarked for Hungary in 1066. They were driven, however, by a storm to land upon the north side of the Firth of Forth, near Queensferry, and took refuge at the Court of Malcolm Canmore, which was then held at Dunfermline. After the marriage of the Scottish king to the Princess Margaret, the Hungarian, as a reward for his skilful management of the vessel in the dangerous sea voyage, was rewarded by Malcolm with lands, offices, and a coat-of-arms; and called Drummond; ‘and so it seems,' says Lord Strathallan, ‘this Hungarian gentleman got his name, either from the office as being captaine, director, or admiral to Prince Edgar and his company-for Dromont or Dromend in divers nations was the name of a ship of a swift course, and the captaine thereof was called Droment or Dromerer-or otherwise the occasion of the name was from the tempest they endured at sea;' for Drummond, his lordship thinks, might be made up of the Greek word for water, and meant a hill, ‘signifying high hills of waters; or Drummond, from drum, which in our ancient language is a height.' The myth was enlarged with additional and minute particulars by succeeding historians of the family. Mr. Malcolm exalts the Hungarian gentleman to the position of a royal prince of Hungary, and affirms that he was the son of George, a younger son of Andrew, King of Hungary. The late Mr. Henry Drummond, the banker, and M.P. for West Surrey, in his splendid work, entitled, ‘Noble British Families,' adopts and improves upon the statements of the previous writers, and gives the Hungarian prince a royal pedigree in Hungary for many generations anterior to his coming to Scotland in 1066. All three agree in stating that the first lands given to that Hungarian by Malcolm Canmore lay in Dumbartonshire, and included the parish of Drummond in Lennox.

    Mr. Fraser, in his elaborate and most interesting work, entitled, ‘The Red Book of Menteith,' has proved, by conclusive evidence, that these statements respecting the origin of the Drummond family are purely apocryphal. The word Drummond, Drymen, or Drummin, is used as a local name in several counties of Scotland, and is derived from the Celtic word druim, a ridge or knoll. The first person who can be proved to have borne the name was one Malcolm of Drummond, who, along with his brother, named Gilbert, witnessed the charters of Maldouen, third Earl of Lennox, from 1225 to 1270. But this Malcolm was simply a chamberlain to the Earl. Mr. Drummond states that he was made hereditary thane or seneschal of Lennox, which is quite unsupported by evidence; and he asserts that Malcolm's estates reached from the shores of the Gareloch, in Argyllshire, across the counties of Dumbarton and Stirling into Perthshire, which Mr. Fraser has shown to be an entire mistake. Instead of the Barony of Drymen, or Drummond, having been granted to a Prince Maurice by Malcolm Canmore in 1070, the lands belonged to the Crown previous to the year 1489, when for the first time they were let on lease to John, first Lord Drummond, and afterwards granted to him as feu-farm. The earliest charter to the family of any lands having a similar name was granted in 1362, by Robert Stewart of Scotland, Earl of Strathern, to Maurice of Drummond, of the dominical lands, or mains of Drommand and Tulychravin, in the earldom of Strathern. It is doubtful if he ever entered into possession of these lands; but it is clear that, whether he did so or not, they did not belong to the Drummond family previous to the grant of 1362, but were part of the estates of the Earl of Strathern, and that they are wholly distinct from the lands and lordship of Drummond afterwards acquired by John Drummond, who sat in Parliament 6th May, 1471, under the designation of Dominus de Stobhall, and, sixteen years later, was created a peer of Parliament by James III.




    Father: George Arpad Prince of HUNGARY b: ABT 1048 in Esztergom, Komarom-Esztergo, Hungary
    Mother: Agatha PODIEBRADIUS b: ABT 1050 in Bohemia/Czech Republic

    Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown
      Children
      1. Has Children Malcolm DRUMMOND , 2nd Senschal of Lennox, Sir b: ABT 1090 in Drymen, Dunbartonshire, Scotland

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Carol Collins, 26 May 1998
      2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Carol Collins, 26 May 1998
        Text: no date, battle of Alnwick
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