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  • ID: I19538
  • Name: Alexander MACDONALD , Lord of Isles, Earl of Ross 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Alexander MacDonald 9th Lord of the /Isles/
  • Birth: ABT 1398 in Tulloch Castle, Dingwall, Ross-shire, Scotland
  • Death: 8 MAY 1449 in Tulloch Castle, Dingwall, Ross-shire, Scotland 3 4
  • Note:
    Alexander MacDonald, 10th Earl of Ross and Lord of the Isles, as both of which apparently recognised by James I on latter's release by English 1424; nevertheless ordered by James to attend a meeting with other Highland chiefs at Inverness 1427 and placed under virtual house arrest as a permanent "guest" of James at his court; later fled or was let go, gathered an army of men of the Isles and Ross and put Inverness and its environs to fire and the sword, but was defeated by James at Lochaber 23 June 1429; after pleading for mercy in penitential garb he was confined for a while in Tantallon Castle; recognised again as Earl of Ross by Jan 1435/6; Justiciar North of Forth 1438; married (as his 1st(?) of two wives(?)) Elizabeth Halyburton; probably of Dirletoun (died in or after Dec 1444). [Burke's Peerage]

    Note Burke's Peerage, page 328 (above text) does not mention Elizabeth Seton as a wife, although the question marks indicate doubt as to the number and order of wives. Elizabeth Seton is mentioned on page 1480 as his wife. Alexander had a son with Elizabeth Halyburton named John (b. c1435), 11th and last Earl of Ross and last Lord of the Isles, who does not appear to be the same son that I have for Alexander and Elizabeth Seton, which is John Ross of Halkhead. Due to the fact that John of Halkhead was born c1425 (some say 1415), I would say Elizabeth Seton was 1st wife and Elizabeth Halyburton is 2nd.

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    LORD OF THE ISLES (IX)

    Alexander (MacDonald), Lord of the Isles, son and heir, in right of his mother, though apparently in her lifetime, was recognised as Earl of Ross. He d. May 1449. [Complete Peerage]

    Note: CP cites a son of Alexander, John MacDonald Earl of Ross who was recognised as the 1st member of the family who was of the Peerage (as Earl of Ross, not as Lord of the Isles). This son John dspm legit in 1498. Perhaps the two sons named John had something to do with the two different wives, possibly, even, he was not married to both and John of Halkhead was illegitimate?

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    The following e-mail, 9 Jan 2004, from Doug Hickling supports the Elizabeth Haliburton marriage, probably in place of the Elizabeth Seton marriage, although the John he mentions is the 11th and last Earl of Ross mentioned above, who is not the John of Halkhead. I find that when a man has two sons named the same, there are almost always two wives (or one is illegitimate):

    Dear Jim:

    You seem to be the only person with an online GEDCOM who lists Elizabeth Haliburton as a wife of Alexander Macdonald, Lord of the Isles and later earl of Ross.

    I think that there is good evidence which supports your view. In ACTS OF THE LORDS OF THE ISLES 1336-1493, edited by Jean Munro and R. W. Munro, published in 1986 by the Scottish History Society, at page 63 is a note of a discharge by Elizabeth Haliburton, countess of Ross to Sir John Scrymgeour on 10 December 1443. The Munros comment that "the above seems to be the only notice of a contemporary document in which Elizabeth is given a surname, and it casts doubt on the supposed Seton marriage . . .."

    In their notes on page 302-303, the Munros point to an indult of 19 October 1433 by Pope Eugenius iv to Alexander and his wife, therein named Jacobella. His son John seems to have been born c. 1434. The Munros go on to repeat their belief that Alexander's wife was a Haliburton, not a Seton, and assert that John was their son. They attribute the widely held view that Elizabeth was a Seton to an undocumented claim in a 16th century Gordon genealogy by John Ferrerius. I would accept the Munros' scholarship over that claimed by Burkes any day!

    I am a 70 year old retired California attorney. I write occasional articles on Scottish ancestry, some of which may be read on Hamish Maclaren's GEDCOM. I will no doubt be getting around to sending him a note on the above subject.

    Doug Hickling
    Dhhic AT aol.com




    Father: Donald MACDONALD , 8th Lord of the Isles b: 1364 in Western Isles, Scotland
    Mother: Mary (Mariota) LESLIE b: ABT 1375 in Dundonald Castle, Ayrshire, Scotland

    Marriage 1 Elizabeth SETON b: ABT 1408 in Huntly Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
    • Married: in 1st husband 5

    Marriage 2 Elizabeth HALIBURTON b: ABT 1400 in Scotland
    • Married: in 1st? of 2? wives (I would say 2nd wife) 3

    Sources:
    1. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 1480, 328
      Text: 1480=Alexander Lord of the Isles and Earl of Ross. 328=Alexander MacDonald, 10th Earl of Ross and Lord of the Isles.
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VII:76-7
    3. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 328
    4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VII:77
      Text: May 1449
    5. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 1480
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