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  • ID: I19404
  • Name: John 1st Lord DRUMMOND , MP, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1445 in Stobhall, Cargill, Perthshire, Scotland
  • Birth: ABT 1438 in Stobhall, Cargill, Perthshire, Scotland 4
  • Death: 1519 in Stobhall, Cargill, Perthshire, Scotland 4
  • Note:
    John Drummon, 1st Lord Drummond, so created 29 Jan 1487/8, but without any indication of a remainder, although from the fact of its not being assumed or claimed by Jean, daughter and heir general of the 1st Earl of Perth, it would subsequently have been (and is here) inferred as being with limitation to heirs male. Privy Council 1488; Judiciar of Scotland 1488, Constable of Stirling Castle, envoy to England 1495 and 1511; imprisoned in Blackness Castle 1515-16 and temporarily deprived of his peerage for an assault on Sir William Comyn, Lyon King of Arms; married Lady Elizabeth Lindsay, daughter of 4th Earl of Crawford. [Burke's Peerage]

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    John Drummond, 1st Lord Drummond, and Elizabeth Lindsay. [Magna Charta Sureties]

    John Drummond, lord of Stobhall, b. c 1438, d. 1519, son of Sir Malcolm Drummond of Stobhall by Marion, daughter of Sir David Murray of Tullibardine; MP 1471, Seneschal of Strathearn 1473, created 29 Jan 1487/8 Lord Drummond. [Magna Charta Sureties]

    Note: I don't agree with his birth c1438: It doesn't fit with his parents marriage date of 1445 nor his maternal grandparents marriage date of 1430.




    Father: Malcolm DRUMMOND , Sir b: ABT 1420 in Stobhall, Cargill, Perthshire, Scotland
    Mother: Mariot (Marion) MURRAY b: ABT 1430 in Tullibardine, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland

    Marriage 1 Elizabeth LINDSAY b: ABT 1448 in Crawford, Clydesdale, Lanarkshire, Scotland
      Children
      1. Has No Children William Master of DRUMMOND b: ABT 1464 in Stobhall, Cargill, Perthshire, Scotland
      2. Has Children Elizabeth DRUMMOND b: ABT 1468 in Stobhall, Cargill, Perthshire, Scotland

      Sources:
      1. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
        Page: 2224
      2. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
        Page: 41e-12
      3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: I:157
        Text: father of Elizabeth
      4. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
        Page: 43d-12
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