The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I18904
  • Name: Isabel de BRUS 1 2 3
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1272 in Annandale, Dumfrieshire, Scotland
  • Death: BET 13 APR AND 8 SEP 1331 2
  • Note:
    "(-----), sister of ROBERT I [SCT], and daughter of Robert (BRUCE or BRUS), afterwards EARL OF CARRICK"; m. Thomas Randolph. [Complete Peerage]


    He [Robert de Brus] m. (2) Eleanor by whom he had Isabel, m. Thomas Randolph, Chamberlain of Scotland. Eleanor m. (2) Sir Richard de Waleys, and d. between 13 Apr and 8 Sep 1331. [Magna Charta Sureties]

    Note: MCS & state that Eleanor was 2nd wife, but Isabel & Thomas Randolph's son, also a Thomas Randolph, according to Burke's Peerage & , became Earl of Moray in 1312 & fought at Bannockburn in 1314. If Isabel wasn't born until 1292/3 then Thomas would have been very young in 1312 & 1314 (ie. If Isabel gave birth at 10 years old, Thomas would have just been born in 1312). Therefore Isabel was definitely daughter of a first wife, I think Margaret/Marjorie, since all 3 sources say she was 1st wife (this would make her a full-blooded sister of Robert I the Bruce-- didn't say "half-sister"). If Eleanor was mother of Isabel & his 2nd wife, then the only explanation would be that Eleanor was a long-time mistress who bore Isabel before/early-in his marriage and finally married him after his wife died.

    Father: Robert 1st Baron de BRUS , Earl of Carrick b: JUL 1243 in Annandale, Dumfrieshire, Scotland
    Mother: Margaret (Marjory) Countess de CARRICK b: ABT 1252 in Carrick, Argyllshire, Scotland

    Marriage 1 Thomas RANDOLPH , Chamberlain of Scotland, Sir b: 1250 in Nithsdale, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
    • Married: in 1st husband 2
    1. Has Children Thomas RANDOLPH , 1st Earl of Moray b: ABT 1288 in Stranith (Nithsdale), Dumfriesshire, Scotland

    1. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 1984
      Text: no name, but sister of Robert I the Bruce, & daughter of Robert Earl of Carrick
    2. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 41-4
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: IX:167
      Text: no name, but sister of Robert the Bruce
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