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  • ID: I18669
  • Name: John WEMYSS , Lord of Rires, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 1369 in Leuchars, Fifeshire, Scotland
  • Death: ABT 1428 in Newton Rires, Fifeshire, Scotland 4
  • Note:
    John (Sir); of Leuchars, Kincaldrum, Reres, and Methil, the last two of which he acquired from his kinsman Sir David Wemyss of Cameron; Constable Castle and town of St Andrews; married 1st ? and had [Duncan, Alexander, and Michael]. Sir John married 2nd c1386 his cousin Isabel, daughter of Alan Erskine of Inchmartin. [Burke's Peerage]

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    There seems to be a slight problem with Burke's Peerage in the Wemyss & Lovat lines. The Lovat/Fraser line has Hugh Fraser 4th Lord of Lovat marrying Isobel Wemyss, daughter of John Wemyss & Isabel Erskine. His son Hugh Fraser 6th Lord of Lovat (inherited title after elder brother Alexander 5th Lord died) also married an Isabel Wemyss, daughter of John Wemyss (no wife given). Looks a little fishy with two "Hugh"s in a row marrying two "Isabel"s who are daughters of two "John Wemyss"s. When one gets to the Wemyss line, only Isabel the daughter of John Wemyss & Isabel Erskine--and she is said to have married Hugh the 6th Lord (not 4th Lord).

    Magna Charta Sureties also has John Wemyss and Isabel Erskine. In their lineage, which includes daughter Elizabeth marrying Andrew 1st Lord Gray, the dates would support the later (Hugh the 6th) connection with Isabel Wemyss rather than Hugh the 4th.




    Father: David WEMYSS , of Leuchars b: ABT 1350 in Leuchars, Fifeshire, Scotland

    Marriage 1 Isabel ERSKINE b: ABT 1375 in Banchory, Fifeshire, Scotland
    • Married: ABT 1386 in 2nd wife 4
    Children
    1. Has Children Isabel WEMYSS b: ABT 1390 in Newton Rires, Fifeshire, Scotland
    2. Has Children Elizabeth WEMYSS b: ABT 1397 in Wemyss, Fifeshire, Scotland

    Sources:
    1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 41a-11
    2. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 1769, 2975
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VI:98-99
    4. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2975
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