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  • ID: I17661
  • Name: John FITZWILLIAM , of Milton, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1415 in Sprotbrough, Doncaster, Yorkshire, England 4
  • Birth: BEF 1417 5
  • Death: Deceased in Milton, Hardingstone, Northamptonshire, England
  • Note:
    Of these [the children of John FitzWilliam & Eleanor Greene] the younger John is said to have been of Green's Norton, and the ancestor of the Milton FitzWilliams.

    Reverting to John FitzWilliam of Green's Norton, the alleged 6th son of Sir John of Emley, I have never found any references to him in any document, and neither he nor his family are mentioned in any of the numerous fifteenth-century wills of members of the Yorkshire branches of the family. This, of course, does not prove his non-existence, but I doubt if he could have been the father of Sir William who bought Milton. John cannot have been born, at the latest, more than a few months after his father's death on 5 July 1417, and it may have been some years earlier (his eldest brother, the first John, was born 15 Aug 1397). I do not know when Sir William I of Milton was born--his age is not given on his brass at Marham--but his son, Sir William II of Milton, was born in 1503 or 1504. We have thus a period of 86 years to cover only two generations; it is not phyically impossible, but demands strict proof. [Complete Peerage V:518-520 Note]

    NOTE: Since CP doesn't find any documents on him, I don't believe that he held Greene's Norton, as that property seemed to descend to Henry Greene of Drayton's brother, Thomas, and to his heirs. And he didn't hold Gainspark (Gaynes Park Hall) as so many people state, because his son William didn't purchase Gaynes Park until April 1508. So I am placing him at Milton.




    Father: John FITZWILLIAM , of Emley & Sprotborough, Sir b: 25 JUL 1377 in Sprotbrough, Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
    Mother: Eleanor GREENE b: ABT 1383 in Drayton House, Lowick, Northamptonshire, England

    Marriage 1 Helen (Ellen\Eleanor) VILLIERS b: ABT 1430 in Brooksby, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children William FITZWILLIAM , of Milton & Gainspark, Sir b: ABT 1455 in of Gaynes Park Hall, Theydon Garnon, Essex, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States, by Gary Boyd Roberts, 1993
        Page: 315
      2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: V:519-520 Note
      3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Leo van de Pas, 12 May 2000
        Text: states that John was of Gainspark, while CP indicates of Greene's Norton
      4. Title: Magna Carta Ancestry, by Douglas Richardson, 2005, Genealogical Publishing Co.
        Page: 350
      5. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: V:520 Note
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