The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I17553
  • Name: Hellena (Helen) de ALLERSTON 1 2 3 4
  • Sex: F
  • ALIA: Hellena /Alveston/
  • Birth: ABT 1178 in Allerston, Pickering, Yorkshire North Riding, England
  • Death: 1231 5
  • Note:
    According to Richard Borthwick, VCH Yorks indicates that Helen's ancestors were Norse instead of Norman.

    Her second husband is definitely a Valoines/Veteriponte, but there is a question about which generation it is.

    According to 2 sources in soc.genealogy.medieval, Helen m. Alan de Valoines, father of Robert de Valoines according to Malinda; or Helen m. Robert de Veteriponte (a name the Valognes were known by (BUT not necessarily this line which is different from the Valognes)), who is presumably the son Alan. I have followed Malinda.




    Father: Alan de ALLERSTON , of Crosby Ravensworth b: ABT 1150 in Allerston, Pickering, Yorkshire North Riding, England
    Mother: Alice DESPENCER b: ABT 1155

    Marriage 1 Hugh de HASTINGS , of Glissing b: ABT 1175 in Fillongley, Meriden, Warwickshire, England
    • Married: 1194 in 1st husband 5 4
    Children
    1. Has Children Thomas de HASTINGS , of Allerston b: ABT 1195 in Gissing, Depwade, Norfolk, England

    Marriage 2 Alan de VALOINES , of Shabbington b: ABT 1162 in Shabbington, Buckinghamshire, England
    • Married: BEF 1203 in 2nd husband 2nd wife 6 7

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Marlyn Lewis, 15 May 1998
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Richard Borthwick, 19 May 1998
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Donna, 24 Apr 2003
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Malinda, 1 Aug 2002
    5. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Patricia Junkin, 19 Dec 2002
    6. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Donna, 24 Apr 2003
      Text: no date, 1st wife (citing "The Blackman's of Knight Creek")
    7. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Malinda, 1 Aug 2002
      Text: 2nd husband (no date), but she states that Helen m. Robert de Veteriponte 2ndly, who I presume is the son. The date could be much before 1203.
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