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  • ID: I17532
  • Name: Maud de GREY , Heiress of Sutton 1
  • Sex: F
  • Name: Maud de SUTTON 2
  • Birth: ABT 1355 in Rotherfield Greys Castle, Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire, England
  • Death: AFT 1407 in Sutton-in-Holderness, Yorkshire West Riding, England 1
  • Note:
    Most sources have Maud as a Sutton, daughter of either Robert or Thomas. However Rosie Bevan, in a series of posts to SGM, which included the excerpt from a post on 1 Oct 2003:

    Subject: The identity of Maud, wife of Sir Ralph Hastings
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2003-10-01 20:51:51 PST

    . . . From Ralph the younger's IPM, it looks like he was the second son and had the Sutton-in-Holderness lands, a third of which was held as dower by his mother Maud, who was still alive in 1407. Richard Hastings received Ralph's forfeited estate, and when he died without issue in 1437, all the properties passed to Leonard Hastings their younger brother whose IPM records their combined holdings.

    Richard was knighted by 1401, and married secondly in 1427, Elizabeth, daughter of Henry, Lord Beaumont, and widow of William, Lord D'Eincourt. Of significance, CP IV 126 records that a dispensation was required for this marriage because William Deincourt and Richard Hastings were related in the 2nd and 3rd degree of consanguinity. It is my belief that this relationship was through Richard's mother, Maud, and the Greys of Rotherfield.

    As can be seen from Ralph Hasting's IPM posted yesterday, Sutton in Holderness was held of the manor of Beverley of the archbishopric of York. Walter de Grey was archbishop when he died in 1255 and was well known for his nepotic distribution of archbishopric lands to his family. The Greys of Rotherfield, were descendants of Walter de Grey, nephew and namesake of the Archbishop.

    The following PRO abstract provides proof of the Grey family's interest in Sutton-in-Holderness.

    E 210/416
    Grant by Robert de Gray of Retherfeld, to John de Nevill, knight, lord of Raby, of the reversion of the manor of Sculcotes and of ten messuages, with land and rent, in Bisshopburton and Sutton in Holdernesse, and of the reversion of the advowson of the church of Sculcotes : [ York. Kyngeston-on-Hull, 6 January, 49 [ Edward ] III.

    As noted in Sir Ralph's will, one of the sons of Sir Ralph and Maud Hastings was named Bartholomew, and there is an instance of this name appearing in the Grey family from about 1350 to 1375. Bartholomew de Grey of Rotherfield d. 1375, was second son and heir of Sir John Grey d.1375, and Maud de Burghersh, daughter of Bartholomew de Burghersh the elder [CP VI 147]. They had three sons - Bartholomew, Robert and Richard, who are documented in Robert de Grey's 1388 IPM [CIPM xvi no.582]. Richard de Grey was the heir male of his elder brother, Robert, and it would seem likely Richard Hastings was named for him as chronologically Maud, wife of Ralph Hastings seems to be a full sister.

    The following illustrates the second and third degree consanguinity

    1.John de Grey of Rotherfield=Maud Burghersh
    . 2. Robert Grey
    . . 3. Joan de Grey
    . . . 4. William Deincourt
    . 2. Maud de Grey
    . . 3. Richard Hastings

    I would be interested in what people think.

    Cheers

    Rosie




    Father: John 2nd Baron de GREY , of Rotherfield b: BEF 1319 in Rotherfield Greys Castle, Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire, England
    Mother: Maud de BURGHERSH b: ABT 1323 in Burwash, Ticehurst, Sussex, England

    Marriage 1 Ralph II HASTINGS , of Kirby, Sir b: ABT 1335 in Gissing, Depwade, Norfolk, England
    • Married: BEF 1380 in 2nd wife 3
    Children
    1. Has No Children Richard HASTINGS , of Slingsby, Sir b: 24 AUG 1381 in Allerston, Pickering, Yorkshire North Riding, England
    2. Has No Children Ralph HASTINGS , of Sutton-in-Holderness, Sir b: BEF 1385 in Sutton-in-Holderness, Yorkshire West Riding, England
    3. Has Children Leonard HASTINGS , of Kirby, Sir b: ABT 1387 in Allerston, Pickering, Yorkshire North Riding, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Rosie Bevan, 1 Oct 2003
    2. Title: Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists, by David Faris, 2nd Edition 1999, NEHGS
      Page: 177
      Text: Maud, daughter of Thomas de Sutton
    3. Title: Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists, by David Faris, 2nd Edition 1999, NEHGS
      Page: 177
      Text: no date, 2nd wife
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