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  • ID: I17506
  • Name: John de GATESDEN , of Wollaventon, Sir 1 2 3 4
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1220 in Great Gaddesden, Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England
  • Death: BEF 17 OCT 1262 in Wollaventon Manor, Sussex, England 5
  • Death: BEF 10 APR 1269 6
  • Note:
    The following is a post to soc.genealogy.medieval (Google Groups), by Ronnie Bodine on 8 Apr 1999:

    JOHN de GATESDEN. Died shortly before 10 April 1269, being then, according to his IPM, in possession of Wollaventon Manor and its advowson and other lands in co. Sussex (CIPM, 1: no. 706).
    Married in or after 1246 to Hawise, daughter of Robert Courtenay and widow of John de Nevill, to whom Westcott Manor, Buckinghamshire had been granted in 1230 upon her marriage to Nevill. In 1269, the King gave the wardship of 200 marks of John de Gatesden's lands and the marriage of his daughter and heir to
    Robert Walerand, saving the dower of Hawise his wife. Hawise died possibly in 1269 (HKF, 3: 340).

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    NOTE: Ronnie Bodine above DOES NOT place this John as the son of John in the mainline descent of the family, as I have portrayed it. VCH Northampton below DOES place this John as I have portrayed it; thus I am following VCH Northampton. However VCH Northampton does not explain how the manor of Cotes Bidun ended up with the presumed cousin John de Gatesden. Ronnie Bodine assumes that the so-called cousin John de Gatesden is actually the son of John de Gatesden the elder; it is certainly open to question. Perhaps VCH Northampton has it reversed, and this John de Gatesden is the cousin, who might be descended from one of Adulf's other sons (Peter or Richard de Gatesden).

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    From VCH - Northampton, vol IV, pp. 29-39:

    John de Gatesden the younger married Hawise de Nevill, and died on St. Katharine's Day 1258, leaving as his heir his daughter Margaret. She married Sir Ralph de Camoys and, secondly, Sir William Paynel; but the John de Gatesden who seems to have acquired the whole of the Bidun manor in Cotes before 1284 was presumably her cousin. In 1284 he is said to have held it of the Earl of Lancaster, and Newton Bromswold (in co-parcenary with Richard de Croxton) of the heirs of Baldwin Wake; but on his death in 1296 the jury found that the manor of Cotes was also held of John Wake. From: 'Parishes: Raunds', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4 (1937), pp. 29-39. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66310. Date accessed: 20 September 2008.




    Father: John de GATESDEN , of Brickhill, Sir b: ABT 1196 in Great Gaddesden, Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England
    Mother: Margery b: ABT 1198

    Marriage 1 Hawise de COURTENAY b: ABT 1216 in Okehampton, Devon, England
    • Married: ABT 1246 in 2nd husband 6
    • Married: BEF APR 1254 in 2nd husband 2nd wife 7
    Children
    1. Has Children John de GATESDEN , of Southall b: ABT 1247 in Great Gaddesden, Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England
    2. Has Children Margaret de GATESDEN b: ABT 1251 in Wollaventon Manor, Sussex, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 476
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: II:506
      Text: father of Margaret
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: IX:481
      Text: 2nd husband of Hawise
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Ronnie Bodine (RBodine996), 8 Apr 1999
      Text: Does not give this John's ancestry, but states that another John was the son of John Sr.
    5. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: IX:481
    6. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Ronnie Bodine (RBodine996), 8 Apr 1999
    7. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: IX:481 & note (j)
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