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  • ID: I17499
  • Name: John de CAMOYS , of Trotton & Bekerton, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1319 in Trotton, Sussex, England
  • Death: BEF 1372 in Bekerton, Sussex, England 4
  • Note:
    SIR THOMAS DE CAMOYS, nephew, or more probably half-nephew, being son and heir of Sir John de CAMOYS, a son of Sir Ralph de CAMOYS by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth (j). [Complete Peerage II:507-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    (j) Sir John had m. Margaret, sister and coheir of Richard Foliot, 3rd Lord Foliot, but it is very doubtful whether she was the mother of Thomas, as the whole of the Foliot inheritance seems to have passed to her sister Margery, who m. Sir Hugh Hastings. [CP XIV:138 states that Margaret dsp.]

    Note: I interpret the reference to Elizabeth above as indicating John's mother (2nd wife of his father Ralph), rather than John's 2nd wife, mother of Thomas.

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    Lord John de Camoys: second son of Ralph (IX), Lord de Cammoys by his first wife Lady Margaret: Baron by tenure of Bekerton Manor, Norfolk, held in chief "per baroniam", to which together with the Manor of Stowe (Stowe bedon), Norfolk, he succeeded upon his father's death in 1336. His father also portioned him by purchasing in 1326 for him from the King for 200 the wardship and marriage of Margaret daughter of Sir Richard Foliot and co-heiress with her sister Margery - for whose marriage to her son Sir Hugh the Lady Isabella de Hastings gave the King a similar sum - of their father's estates, their brother Richard Foliot having died under age in the same year. In 1329 Margaret was the wife of John de Camoys and was then 14 years of age, the King in consequence of her minority presenting that year to Smetheton Church on her behalf. Her mother Lady Margery de Foliot died before 13th June 1330 in which year she was found by inquisition post mortem to have been seised of Grimeston Manor as of the Manor of Thornhawe, and Wilhawe "de Stallag' fori et mundidionz terr, " Notts, Norton Manor held by Knight service from Queen Philippa as the Honor of Pontefract, Fenewk, Moseleye, Shafton redd', 35s.5. yearly rent in Brantingham held by Knight service of Thomas de Wake of Lidell, Yorks, Elsinge Manor as of the Honor of Clare, Lexham Manor as a member of Gressinghale Manor, Norfolk. These lands would appear to have formed a part only of the Foliot estates.

    On 8th. November 1330 an agreement dated Sunday the Feast of St. Martin between Hugh de Hastynges and Margery his wife and John de Cammoys and his wife Margaret by the assent of Lady Isabella de Hastynges the mother of Hugh and of Sir Ralph de Cammoys father of John was enrolled in Chancery, by which purparty of part of the inheritance of Richard Foliot was made leaving the fees of the said inheritance not therein comprised to be held in common until they could conveniently be made purperty of. The division thus made was - to Hugh and Margery Hastings, Elsing Manor and advowson and the town of Wesenham, Norfolk, Norton Manor and advowson of its chapel and Fenewyk, Yorks, Grymston, Notts, also the advowsons of the churches of Smytheton and Brusellee. - To John and Margaret Cammoys, Gressenhale Manor and advowson, and Lexham Manor, Norfolk, Cousley and Moselee with their appurtenances, Yorks, 60s yearly rent out of Brantingham and 40s yearly rent in Wesenham Manor, also the advowsons of Stanfeld Church, of Roughholm chapel in Gressenhale and of Wentlynge Abbey. In 1347 John de Camoys and his parcenors held one and a half Knight's fees in Linford, Norfolk (42), which they let to John le Spicer and Stephen Baldwyn. In 1331 he and his wife released to Sir Hugh and Lady Hastings the lordships of Gressenhale and Lexham with all their rights therein, together with the advowsons of Roughholm chapel and Wentlynge Abbey, Norfolk, but this was probably a mortgage only as in 1348 John de Camoys presented to Gressinghale. In 1345 "John de Camoys, Chivaler" and Margaret his wife sold Cowesly and Mosely Manors, Brantingham and Riplingham and the advowson of Stanfeld, Yorks.

    In 1338 he was called upon to raise 20 foot soldiers in the West Riding of Yorkshire. 1345 letters of protection until Christmas day were granted to "John de Camoys, Chivaler" on setting out with Thomas de Bello Campo, Earl of Warwick, into foreign parts. In 1359 the King being on his way to the war in France gave authority in his absence to John de Camoys and others for an array of men in Norfolk and made one of the Council for the government of the Kingdom in the King's absence, and in this year also was directed to raise 150 archers in Norfolk for the passage of the King into France and subsequently 50 armed horse in addition. Died in his elder brother's lifetime, i.e. before 1372. In a Roll of Arms of Edward III reign dated between 1337 and 1350 is given "Le Sire de Camoys port d'or, and cheif de gules, a trois pellets en le cheif d'argent." Married as already stated Margaret, younger daughter of Sir Richard Foliot who bore "gules, a bend argent", and co-heiress with her sister Margery of her brother Richard.




    Father: Ralph III 1st Baron de CAMOYS , of Flockthorpe b: ABT 1283 in Bourn, Cambridgeshire, England
    Mother: Elizabeth de ROGATE b: ABT 1294 in Rogate, Sussex, England

    Marriage 1 Margaret FOLIOT b: BEF 1314 in Weasenham, Mitford, Norfolk, England
    • Married: in 1st wife 5

    Marriage 2 Elizabeth b: ABT 1325
    • Married: AFT 1345 in 2nd wife 6
    Children
    1. Has Children Thomas 2nd Baron de CAMOYS , of Bekerton, KG b: BEF 1351 in Trotton, Sussex, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 477
      Text: John was father of Thomas, but not necessarily by Margaret
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: V:541-2
      Text: husband without issue of Margaret Foliot
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: II:507
      Text: father of Thomas
    4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: II:507
      Text: son Thomas succeeded in 1372
    5. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: V:541-2
    6. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: 507
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