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  • ID: I16834
  • Name: Baldric the TEUTON , Seigneur de \Courcy\ 1
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Baudry the /German/
  • Birth: ABT 969 in Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France
  • Death: Deceased
  • Note:
    The following information, which indicates that there is not much solid evidence on Baldric, is contained in a post-em by Curt Hoffeman, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com. Based on it, I added Aimee de Brionne as a wife. However I kept Muriel as mother of Baldric's 1st two children. However unlikely, this leaves Baldric marrying 1st the illegitimate daughter of Richard I of Normandy, and 2nd his great granddaughter.

    FWIW (caveat emptor):

    But the names "GILBERT" and "GEOFFREY" as the early ancestors of the DE NEVILLES on your list might indicate some likelihood that Baudric's wife was indeed a niece of Gilbert de Brionne, as written by Orderic. Orderic not only stated the fact about the niece of GILBERT marrying "BALDRIC," but named their six sons, including Nicholas DE BASKERVILLE and Richard DE NEVILLE, according to P. H. Baskervill...

    In my letter to GEN-MEDIEVAL, I also said that BAUDRY/BAUDRIC le TEUTON and his brother WIGER came to Normandy and put themselves at the service of WILLIAM I, but it was not WILLIAM I, but WILLIAM's grandfather, Richard II of Normandy (996-1026) they served under, according to Orderic.

    Abbe' Daoust states that BAUDRY married AUBREE, niece of Gilbert DE BRIONNE. This is the first place I have seen the name of the niece. [Ref: Kay Roemer 9 Jan 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]

    I have read that Gilbert's (de Brionne) niece Aubree married Baudric le Teuton and named a son Fulk, who later became Fulk d'Aunou. [Ref: Kay Roemir roemer222 AT aol.com 24 Jan 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]

    Balderic Teutonicus (Baudric le Teuton, Baudry the Teutonique, Baldricus) who had a brother Wigere. They together traveled east to assist their friend the Duke of Normandy. They were the sons of

    Wigelius de Courcie, the son of
    Charles, the son of
    Charles, Duke of Lorraine, who was the son of
    Charles III, King of France, Born on 17 sept. 879 & died oct. 7, 929. [Ref: Nietzsche 12 Nov 1995 message to Gen-Medieval citing: "Royal Ancestry of the Magna Carta Barons" by Carr. P. Collins Jr. ] note: I am seriously skeptical of this ascent - basis?... Curt

    Research note: Baldricus Teutonicus De Bacqueville, Lord Bacqueville & Caux... (married) Denefacta De Brienne (dau of Robert De Brienne, Count of Eu & Beatrice De Falaise [Ref: (unsourced) http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/NorthernEurope/f223.htm]

    Regards,
    Curt

    In reality, the dearth of records about him suggests any ancestry is speculatve (at best) not supported by reliable records (those that do are only guesses - my opinion only)... Curt




    Father: Wigelius de COURCY b: 952 in Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France

    Marriage 1 Muriella de NORMANDY b: ABT 970 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
      Children
      1. Has Children Fulk d' AUNOU b: ABT 985 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France
      2. Has Children Robert Seigneur de COURCY b: ABT 1005 in Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France

      Marriage 2 Aubree de BRIONNE b: ABT 1000 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France
      • Married: BEF 1020 in 2nd wife
      Children
      1. Has Children Richard de NEVILLE b: ABT 1020 in Neuville-sur-Tocque, Orne, Normandy, France
      2. Has Children Nicholas de BASQUERVILLE b: ABT 1035 in Bacqueville-en-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France

      Sources:
      1. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
        Page: 85, 134
        Text: Baldric the German
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