The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I15387
  • Name: William le PROUZ , Lord of Gidley 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1225 in Gidley Manor, Chagford, Okehampton, Devon, England
  • Death: BEF 21 OCT 1270 in of Gidley, Stodbury, Cumesheved, Hacche, & Colton, Devonshire 2
  • Note:
    1269 - Sheriff of Devonshire [Ancestral Roots]

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    The following is part of a post to SGM, 1 Aug 1995, by Todd Farmerie, "Ancestral Roots, 7th Edition - Corrections"

    (217) Unfortunately, all work on this line, including my own, has used Pole and Vivian as a framework for correction and expansion. However, the line as presented by Vivian was a genealogical basket case. It requires
    complete reworking, an attempt at which follows. However, you may wish to break the line altogether until a more substantial concensus can be reached (the best remaining noble lineage for this family would be through Lord Stourton, if he was grandfather of Petronell (gen. 39), or through Joan Champernoun, if one accepts the identity of her great-grandmother as daughter of Richard, Earl of Cornwall). See below for corrected line. While I have not studied the line anew, the favored reconstruction of the Prouz family appears to be in error. William (52-32) was made to marry twice, with William (52-33) a son of Alice de Widworthy, and Richard (217-33), Hugh and William Jr. children of the second wife, Alice Ferrers, heiress of Helion. This version was adopted to explain the fact that Hugh and Richard split Helion land, but Richard and Hugh married two daughters and coheirs of William Helion of Credy Helion (Buckfast Cartulary), and it was likely through this connection that they acquired their common Helion claims. One of these properties Shaplegh Helion, was said to have been held by Hugh and wife, and by Richard and wife Margaret of Hugh de Courteney. The mention of the wife in these records is indicative that it was in right of their wife that Hugh and Richard derived their claim (ipm Hugh de Courtenay, 20EI). In addition, there was some claim of the senior line of Prouz to Ashton, which has not been explained. Thus a William Prouz appears in Feudal Aids in possession of Ashton in 1303, and Polwell reports a grant (undated) by a William to his brother Richard, both used by Benson to suggest an extra generation in the Prouz of Ashton line, but clearly refering to William (52-33) of the elder line. Finally a Helion le Prouz, who witnessed a grant of William, Sr. to his younger (half-)brother, William, Jr., and was appearently not a brother (since brothers Richard and Hugh are named and compensated), suggests that there was an earlier Prouz/Helion marriage, as given in Devon N & Q, v:151. While I have not found an answer to this conflict, it is probably appropriate to indicate some doubt in the account of the marriages of William (52-32). Relating to the parentage of Anthony Pollard, I have constructed a line through Cockworthy to Raleigh, Chichester, Wooton, Moeles, and Prouz. However, in a note on the Pollards in DCNQ, xxix, 303-305, J. Rowe indicates, without references, "Richard Pollard married Margaret Chidley (not Cockworthy)." This is somewhat confusing, as Chidley is a form of Chudlegh, into which family their son Anthony married. However, as the Cockworthy connection was based only on traditional pedigree sources, I suggest that this new line be withheld until it can be investigated in more detail. (It is still valid for Stukeley and Cobleigh, for which there is documentary support.)

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    Father: William le PROUZ , of Chagford, Sir b: ABT 1205 in Chagford, Okehampton, Devon, England
    Mother: Miss Heiress de GIDLEY b: ABT 1205 in Gidley Manor, Chagford, Okehampton, Devon, England

    Marriage 1 Alice de WIDWORTHY b: ABT 1225 in Widworthy, Honiton, Devon, England
    • Married: in 1st wife 2
    Children
    1. Has Children William le PROUZ , Lord of Gidley b: ABT 1245 in Gidley Manor, Chagford, Okehampton, Devon, England

    Marriage 2 Alice FitzGilbert de FERRERS , Heir of Ashton b: 1230 in Throwleigh, Okehampton, Devon, England
    • Married: ABT 1250 in 2nd wife 2
    Children
    1. Has Children Richard PROUZ , of Ashton, Sir b: AFT 1250 in Gidley Manor, Chagford, Okehampton, Devon, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 52-32, 217-32
    2. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 52-32
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