The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

Entries: 46457    Updated: 2015-06-11 05:23:07 UTC (Thu)    Owner: Jim Weber

Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM

  • ID: I14654
  • Name: Thomas ap GWILYM , of Perth-Hir, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1357 in Wernddu, Monmouthshire, Wales
  • Death: 4 JUL 1438 in Plas yn-y-berth-hir (Perth-hir), Monmouthshire, Wales 4 5
  • Burial: 8 JUL 1438 Llansantffraed Church, Monmouthshire, Wales
  • Note:
    Thomas ap Gwilym, of Perth-hir, Rickfield, Mon; married Mawd, daughter of Sir John Morley, of Llansanffraid, near Abergavenny, and died 1438. [Burke's Peerage]

    ---------------------------------------------

    Copied from Herbert, George biography, 88.1911 encyclopedia.org/H/HERBERT_GEORGE.htm:

    Thomas ap Gwilim Jenkin, called the fourth son, is ancestor of all those who bore the surname Herbert.

    ---------------------------------------------

    The following material was copied from Jane Williams Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:
    Note that there are conflicting statements, depending on the source, many of which have been discounted.

    Pembroke 'wore the garter,' which required for eligibility 'a gentleman of blood,' defined by Beltz on page 84 of his "Order of the Garter" thus; 'He shall have three descents of noblesse, of name and arms, on his father's and on his mother's side.' Sir William Herbert, Lord of Ragland, Earl of Pembroke was third "descent" from the Master Sergeant of Abergavenny. It was when King Edward created Sir William an earl that the 'descent' from the Norman Conqueror was established. Sir William's father Gwillam ap Thomas ap Gwillam, had been knighted on the field of Agincourt, 1415, when he and two other Welsh archers saved Henry V's life. Accolade was bestowed on the spot. Later the Heralds had to give them English names. Why they went so far back for the name Herbert is explained by the fact that Herbert had become English while Thomas was still Welsh. When, in 1461, heralds questioned the about-to-be earl's right to the name Herbert, the king appointed a commission of wise men to decide the matter. At the end of the year they handed in a report written in four languages, Latin, British (Welsh), French, and English. It read: ". . . said honorable Earl is named William Herbert, son of Jenkin, son of Adam, son of Reginald, son of Peter, son of Herbert, son of Peter, son of Herbert, son of Herbert, a noble Lord descended of the blood of the Crown of England, for he was natural son of Henry I, son of William the Conqueror."

    Sir S. Meyrick, authority on the Herbert family, says the heralds forged the lineage to please the king, but it is amusing. It is what heralds thought in 1461, and what Mr Jones of Tregaron shows on his chart made in 1592, and quoted by Nicholas in "Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County-Founders of Wales." But in 1750 Collins says the Count of Vermandois' son married "Julian who had been the king's mistress." Old Welsh writers call Earl Pembroke "Gwillm Ddu, "Black William."

    Nicholas say Thomas, youngest son of William ap Jenkin ap Adam, "made a great addition to his fortune by marriage to Maud, daughter of Sir John Morley, and that part of her dowry was Ragland Castle. Bradney says (vol 2, pt 2, p 3) that Thomas' son Gwillam, Sir William Herbert, bought it from his stepson, James, Lord Berkeley. The widow, Berkeley, Sir William's first wive, was Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John Bluett. Bradney says Ragland Castle was given to Bluett by a De Clare who built it. [Genealogies of Virginia Families III:110-111 ]




    Father: Gwilym ap JENKIN , Lord of Gwarinddu b: ABT 1320 in Wernddu, Monmouthshire, Wales
    Mother: Gwenllian verch HYWEL , "Fychan" b: ABT 1335 in Parc Letis, Llangatwg Dyffry, Monmouthshire, Wales

    Marriage 1 Unknown First WIFE b: ABT 1360 in Wales
    • Married: in 1st wife
    Children
    1. Has Children Tudful verch THOMAS b: ABT 1375 in Perth-Hir, Monmouthshire, Wales

    Marriage 2 Maud (Mawd) MORLEY , Heiress of Llansantffraed b: ABT 1360 in Llansaint-freed (St. Brides Head), Monmouthshire, Wales
    • Married: AFT 1375 in 2nd wife
    Children
    1. Has Children William ap THOMAS , of Raglan, Sir b: ABT 1377 in Plas yn-y-berth-hir (Perth-hir), Monmouthshire, Wales

    Sources:
    1. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2306
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: William Addams Reitwiesner, 3 July 2000
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: X:400 note (b)
      Text: father of William
    4. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2306
      Text: 1438
    5. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: X:400 note (b)
      Text: 1438
  • We want to hear from you! Take our WorldConnect survey

    Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM

    Printer Friendly Version Printer Friendly Version Search Ancestry Search Ancestry Search WorldConnect Search WorldConnect Join Ancestry.com Today! Join Ancestry.com Today!

    WorldConnect Home | WorldConnect Global Search | WorldConnect Help
    We want to hear from you! Take our WorldConnect survey

    RootsWeb.com is NOT responsible for the content of the GEDCOMs uploaded through the WorldConnect Program. The creator of each GEDCOM is solely responsible for its content.